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RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

RabiAkiva — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:30:10 GMT

I am so glad the elections are over. The visitor stats on my blog dropped dramatically as the elections neared and only yesterday I have recovered to normal address.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

jerm — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:29:55 GMT

I think 20 imaginary bux is only worth an imaginary pinky smashing.:P

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Nuclearcow — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:49:01 GMT

-M- still hasn't showed up to pay me my imaginary 20 buxx for Obama winning! :D

I'm going to have to send my cousin Scipio to break some imaginary knee caps soon!

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Scipio Africanus — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:11:10 GMT

Pretty sure some of the past threads about the Iraq War, Islamofascism, etc., got up above 100 pages of posts. True it was over a much longer span of time.

ADDIT: Waitaminute. Looks like my memory was off. The [url=http://206.196.26.167/Topic2220121-56-1.aspx]Israeli Warplanes Attack Beirut[/url] thread must be the one I was thinking of, and it only went for 30 pages. About HALF what this election thread went for! :w00t:

Looks like we have a new record that even beats the "So . . ." thread with ~43 pages.

The long Israel+West vs Islamofascism thread is actually in third place. Just look in the P&R main page, and sort it by number of replies

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

jerm — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:22:24 GMT

Alrighty, one more post in this thread and I'm done... at least with election related discussions... though there still is the Norm Coleman/Al Franken recount so you never know but all I got to say is... 61 pages? WOW! Is this the longest P&R thread? the So.. thread is still only in the 40's. This thread also started in July. That's like three months!

In four years it may be fun to revisit this thread just to compare it to today. Anyway, everyone should read the first few pages. It turned out pretty much the way we thought it did ;). It's been fun, can someone lock this thread up :w00t:?

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Scipio Africanus — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:21:01 GMT

Getting elected and peforming well in office are only remotely correlated; as shown by how awesome America thought Bush was in 2000 and 2004 and how crappy he smells now.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

jerm — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:08:40 GMT

Hmm, well, did Obama run his campaign or did Axelrod, or the economy or... for that matter GWB? Also, running a country is not the same at all to running a corporation. Obama certainly has a gift for speaking well and given the current circumstances and the general sentiment out there, it pushed him over the edge. Will this translate into a great president? If he can deliver half as well as he speaks, perhaps. Unfortunately delivering on campaign promises is not something politicians tend to do.

As to whether a lack luster campaign would translate into a lackluster presidency, perhaps it is fair but it's academic and I'm kind of over the election now and ready to move on ;). Let it go, you won :laugh:.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

frogmanFW — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:04:57 GMT

They say that a great executive can operate in any type of business and succeed... and a poor executive can fail in the same way.

For example, from what I understand, George W. Bush was a terrible executive in many business ventures prior to politics...

If that theory holds true, then Obama may well be a great president, as he ran a nearly flawless campaign...

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:19:08 GMT

So when I stated why I voted for Obama I commented on what I felt was a lackluster campaign run by Senator McCain that was ridden with mistakes, missteps and errors in judgment. No one commented on this, but I wonder, is it any stretch in logic at all, ignoring all other things, to believe that a candidate that would run a less than stellar campaign would run a less than stellar Presidency? Serious question here. I always try and question my thought process whenever I can.

I'm not saying a thought McCain would be a terrible President, heck, on the heels of the Bush administration, I think Jimmy Carter might appear to be the best President ever..... :w00t: ....no, but seriously, I think McCain would have served the country well, but the way he ran his campaign raised a lot of doubts in my mind. Is this fair?

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

frogmanFW — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:52:30 GMT

Reading this small piece:

[quote]utopian revolution[/quote]

Reminded me - the 20th anniversary of the Jonestown suicide is coming up...

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:19:46 GMT

Well if that is what Tosk is saying, then I agree whole-heartedly. I would wish to see that from any and all Presidents!! :) I really did NOT want to see Bush fail from the outset, I gave him the benefit of the doubt from the get go, and I will do the same with Obama. But I will also be watching him like a hawk as well and won't cut him any slack if he starts to veer towards the far left. The core of the republican party is on the right, and the core of the democrat party is on the left, but the core of America is in the middle and that's where his administration needs to go. Lift America up at it's core, if you try and lift from the left or the right everything will be unbalanced and it will come crashing down.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Scipio Africanus — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:16:41 GMT

I think maybe what Tosk is saying, is something I agree with. If I may paraphrase:

'Okay, fair enough. He sold himself well to a large fraction of the people. Best of luck to him at actually delivering the utopian revolution that he has convinced folks he will usher in, and lets hope that any consequent fallout doesn't harm the nation and world too badly. Moreover, here's to hoping he proves himself to be as amazing as so many folks think he is; cause if he is, Wow what a Golden Age the U.S. and all our friends are headed for! :D'

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:09:03 GMT

Heard on Jon Stewart last night:

Reporting that Obama carried the popular 52% to 46%, a 6 point margin:

[quote]A six percent popular vote victory translates into a 2-to-1 Electoral College drubbing, proving once again that the Electoral College makes perfect sense. It's as sound as it was when that shipload of mentally defective orangutans washed ashore and designed it." [/quote]

:w00t:

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:44:26 GMT

[quote]Unfortunately the leaders have the power. This was the whole thing about earmarks. The leadership dangles these earmarks in the face of the junior congressmen/senators and they vote for the democratic agenda. I may not vote for that bailout bill but if you throw in a library bill or bridge to nowhere attachment for my state, I may be swayed. Even worse, you don't vote the party line on a particular issue and you don't end up getting any of the earmarks you want put in to the next bill. This is how the leadership on both sides strongarms the little guys who start off with good intentions. A vote for any particular party is a vote for the leadership of that party. In this case, a vote for a democrat, regardless of how moderate they are, is a vote for the Pelosi/Reed Congress.[/quote]

Good points, jerm, it is something I failed to consider. Make no mistake, if get the sense that Obama is doing this sort of thing, I will be the first to start firing off letters to white house and congress to let them know how I feel. It doesn't count for much, to be sure, but it is the most I can probably do. ;)

Also, for those of you who like conspiracy theories....conspiracy theories abound at the Spengler forums on why Obama won the election!!! :w00t: If you notice, I haven't posted any Spengler essays lately. Well, you can go read for your self, but many of them recently had been strongly anti-Obama. grrrrrrr.

Anyways someone posted this!

[quote]We all thought this was just another giddy loser Democrat, a mulatto Kerry. We didn't realize he was a guided missile with state-of-the-art ground support. We didn't know that when he dropped five points behind McCain, the HQ would signal Code Red and order a financial panic.

I'm not being completely facetious here. I don't think the mid-September financial crises were happenstance or coincidental. They could have arisen in April or May...or December. Why only when McCain-Palin were obviously going to win?

Of course Obamy was cool as a cucumber before that first debate, when McCain had suggested cancelling it in light of the financial emergency. His back-channel had given him a heads-up.[/quote]

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

jerm — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:30:13 GMT

My thoughts are much less pessimistic after watching Obama's speech. Not that I'm going to agree with half the things he does or that I'm in love with the guy but while McCain's speech was a gracious defeat, Obama's was a gracious victory speech. He nearly brought tears to my eyes as well. However you look at it, it's good that the nation voted in a black president. It's still a nation of dreams that can come true. Now that the hype is over however, he's got to actually do the thing which he's been preaching all these months. Unite America. He's not going to do this by being buddies with Pelosi and Reed and and he's going to have to make this clear to them. No one is expecting him to be a conservative but he's going to actually have to show that he is willing to listen to the other side. In choosing his cabinet, he's going to have to pick people who are not part of the democratic elite. He's got a real chance now to change Washington. I'll remain optimistic that he means it until we see if he does.

[quote]Also, another thing to remember is this... while Obama might have a very liberal voting record in the senate and folks like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Shumer, etc are the "leaders" in the Democratic Party, that is only because they have been around the longest. The Democrats have SURELY consolidated their gains from the 2006 election to the 2008 election. BUT, and I believe this is very important, those gains have LARGELY not been from the leftist precincts. What I mean to say is that what you see is many of these new Democratics Reps. and Senators are either Moderate or Conservative (such as the growth of the Blue Dog Coalition). Not all of them, to be sure, but there is a trend there. I hope you conservative folks would be able to take solace in that, at least, that it might not be so easy to push through a leftist agenda.[/quote]

Unfortunately the leaders have the power. This was the whole thing about earmarks. The leadership dangles these earmarks in the face of the junior congressmen/senators and they vote for the democratic agenda. I may not vote for that bailout bill but if you throw in a library bill or bridge to nowhere attachment for my state, I may be swayed. Even worse, you don't vote the party line on a particular issue and you don't end up getting any of the earmarks you want put in to the next bill. This is how the leadership on both sides strongarms the little guys who start off with good intentions. A vote for any particular party is a vote for the leadership of that party. In this case, a vote for a democrat, regardless of how moderate they are, is a vote for the Pelosi/Reed Congress.

I am optimistic because I have no other option at this point in time. I don't want Obama to fail. I don't want this country to be worse off so that "my guys" can get elected next time. Part of me wonders though if Obama can stand up to the democratic leftist leadership and actually make change happen. God, I hope so.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Nuclearcow — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:15:47 GMT

[quote]Ha Ha. How is that for you Scipio, I am calling people Anti-American! Take that NC!!!!!! :P [/quote]Truely... a sign that the apocalypse is upon us.:D

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:30:59 GMT

[quote][b]Tosk (11/5/2008)[/b][hr]You cracked me up with that one LC. :D:D:D[/quote]

That is my aim in life, Tosk. ;)

[quote]He deserves to be there because over half of the sheepol voted for him ... by analogy can I then be correct in assuming that gays should be persecuted in California (couple threads over) because over half the people say so???[/quote]

To quote John McCain at last night's concession speech... "Now, now." I did not say he deserves to be there, I said that he belongs. Or rather he has demonstrated that he belongs. There is a difference between deserving and belongs. In my opinion he has demonstrated that he belongs, that is, that he is qualified for the job. If you want to talk about deserving though, it is my opinion that no one deserves anything except that which they work for. Obama didn't deserve to be President any more than John McCain did, even though McCain was surely more qualified for the position, IMO. But then, being the most qualified is only one part of the equation.

But if you want to talk about persecuting gays in California, that is incorrect. Declaring that gays cannot get married is not persecution. It is deplorable. It is denying them such a privilege (not a right, but a privilege), but persecution, that would be locking them up for the simple fact that they are gay, or are holding hands in public or any such thing.

[quote]But in the rest of your statement you do seem to be coming around to the fact that more than half the voters are dumber than dirt.[/quote]

No not really. There are certainly members of the voting public that have lower than average intelligence, maybe even some of them who are dumber than dirt. But it is their constitutional right to vote. You may not agree with that. Hell, I may not even agree with that, but that is the law of the land. And when I said something about all the dumbasses who put him there, I was merely following your tree-turtle argument to logical extension for the sake of discussion. I will not concede that more than half the voters are dumber than dirt, but I will agree with jerm, that maybe more than half the voters do not give it as much thought as I have, per my explanation above. If you equate that with "dumber than dirt", then maybe we have an understanding. ;)

[quote]I still say time will tell ... Hell he might tell congress to shape up or ship out, and demand that the SC begin enforcing the premies and spirit of the constitution ... I seriously doubt it ... but if he does good I'll be the first one on his bandwagon for reelection.[/quote]

And so will I. And if he doesn't, I will be the first to call him into line. I won't even wait until 4 years from now. I will write the whitehouse, the congress, and everyone I can think of. I heard on both the O'Reilly show as well as Dennis Miller show today people calling in, in mourning because of the election results, and talking about how they hoped Obama would fail miserably so we could get him out of there in 4 years. Needless to say, both commentators quickly snapped back to give him the benefit of the doubt, and actually that, for America, it would be preferable that Obama succeeded and that we could say, when it is all said and done that he was one of the greatest Presidents ever. If that happened, it would be great for America, and would mean he did not cater to far left, but actually to the best interests of this country. And any American, IMO, who did not want that to happen is, frankly, Anti-American. Ha Ha. How is that for you Scipio, I am calling people Anti-American! Take that NC!!!!!! :P It is reasonable, to be sure, to have doubts that Obama will end up with such a legacy, but to hope otherwise, IMO, is pure lunacy.

[quote]And I did not say, you or anyone else specifically, is dumber than dirt if/because they voted for Obama.[/quote]

Understood. We all have our reasons for voting for whomever we vote for. It's a personal/private decision and I have decided to make my case for why I voted for Obama, but I would never ask anyone to make their case. But yes, there are Obama supporters who are dumber than dirt.

[/quote]

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Tosk — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:33:00 GMT

You cracked me up with that one LC. :D:D:D

He deserves to be there because over half of the sheepol voted for him ... by analogy can I then be correct in assuming that gays should be persecuted in California (couple threads over) because over half the people say so???

But in the rest of your statement you do seem to be coming around to the fact that more than half the voters are dumber than dirt.

I still say time will tell ... Hell he might tell congress to shape up or ship out, and demand that the SC begin enforcing the premies and spirit of the constitution ... I seriously doubt it ... but if he does good I'll be the first one on his bandwagon for reelection.

And I did not say, you or anyone else specifically, is dumber than dirt if/because they voted for Obama.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:19:58 GMT

Ok. Here it is.

[quote]Obama has been taking "how to lie sincerely" lessons from slick Willie vidios.

I think we are about to get a tree turtle.

For those of you who do not know what a tree turtle is.

When you're walking in the woods and you come across a tree with a turtle in it, that's a "tree turtle".

You know he didn't get up there by himself,
he doesn't belong up there,
he doesn't know what to do while he is up there,
and you just wonder what kind of a dumbass put him up there.[/quote]

Yes, well he certainly did not get up there by himself. Tens of millions of Americans voted for him.

...and I would disagree with you that he "doesn't belong up there". That is the main point I was trying to make when I said your analogy has been disproved. I would argue he does belong up there and throughout the campaigning season he has demostrated that, assuredly, he does belong up there. Whether he knows what to do when he is up there, yes, that remains to be seen. AS far as who put him up there, it is safe to say that it is not strictly the far left, or else he would have never won. If he is beholden to the far left, or leftism in general, then well, we might wonder who put him up there. However, if you look at the traditional democrat base, the Northeast, several of the Great Lakes states, the West Coast, and Hawaii, then we can also say that the dumbasses that put him up there include the people of North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Ohio and Nevada, all of whom voted for George Bush in 2000 and 2004.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Tosk — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:02:04 GMT

Read it again ... it was my prediction that Obama would be the next president.

Line one is now proven

Lines two through four remain to be seen.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:33:16 GMT

[quote][b]Tosk (11/5/2008)[/b][hr]Ironically ... and fittingly ... "Ship of Fools" was on opposite Obamas acceptance speech ...

*
Did things just get better? ... or worse?

~John McClane~ "Die Hard II"
*

Time will tell ...

[/quote]

Time will tell, Tosk, but I also believe that your "Turtle up a Tree" analogy, while quite funny at the time, has been proven to be incorrect. Well before yesterday, Obama has demostrated that he does belong, or at least should be capable. Whether or not he is capable or not, that will unfold over the coming years.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:31:27 GMT

[quote][b]Bismarck2990 (11/5/2008)[/b][hr]I just watched the speeches.

On that note, I'm going to be optimistic and tell my previous analytical side to keep quiet for awhile. There's something about Obama, when you watch him up there behind the mic talk about the country and people, that makes you want to believe in him. I'm talking with my friends as this is all going on--who've never had any sort of interest in politics, and they're ecstatic over his win. Hell, I saw a live shot of Jesse Jackson crying, a guy I normally disagree with to no end on a number of issues and was actually taken back and smiled feeling happy for the guy.

However, McCain has always been a great guy in my books and I have a lot of respect for him and his service to the country. I'm a individual who's been to my step father's Kilo (Marine platoon, Vietnam) reunions numerous times and McCain just brought those same feelings of trust, family like sentiment, and profound respect I observe for all the individuals I've been able to meet through them. I sincerely felt sad for him by his loss and had hoped America could've experienced his version of change. His speech was great and he exhibited the same classy nature he's been known for in it's deliverance.

At the end of the night though, the least I can say is that the atmosphere certainly feels lighter.[/quote]

Right on, Bismarck. I will say that after I saw McCain's speech, I almost wished I had voted for him... ALMOST! :P But Obama's speech really moved me too. And it all really sunk in for me when I did see that shot of Jesse Jackson crying as well. I am almost moved to tears myself just thinking about it. And I will say that I have not always been a big fan of his either, because he's an activist with a very specific platform. But I was talking to my mom about that scene, and she said she felt that Barack Obama was quite different than some of these other black politicians such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. And what it is I explained is that Barack Obama is not the "black candidate". He's not a civil rights activist like some of those other folks, but he's actually a genuine product of the civil rights movement. And that is something, in the eyes of Jesse Jackson, and all Americans, I would hope (except the small minority of true racists) that would make this a very special moment in American history. From slavery to an African American Presidency in 150 years.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:23:12 GMT

[quote][b]jerm (11/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote]Very cynical tones from those who support McCain, no?[/quote]

Just realistic. Is there reason to be optimistic? I'm resigned to an extremely liberal president with an extremely liberal Congress (with perhaps a supermajority) for at least the next two, and perhaps even four years. It is what it is...

If you're refering to the comment I made about young voters, perhaps it was a bit of a jerky thing to say. I do believe that most young people who are voting for Obama are voting on idealism and are not particularly informed. Sure there are plenty of uninformed voters who are older as well but they typically split both ways IMO but much less widespread than younger uninformed voters. Anyway, glad to hear your reasoning for voting for Obama. There was never any real doubt that you wouldn't vote for Obama but if I believed most Obama voters thought it through as much as you, I'd be much less worried ;). [/quote]

Cheers jerm. And I was referring to the comment about young voters, but I also believe that you are more right than wrong. I was recently a young voter myself, I know! :)

So are you saying, that even though I may not have known who I was going to vote for, say 3 months ago, that you knew I would end up voting for Obama??? :D Because, honesetly before the conventions and all that, I felt that I was undecided, that I could not make up my mind. Anyways, as far as thinking this through and what not, I absolutely was not going to take the same approach that I did in 2004, when it was "anyone but Bush". And I didn't give it anymore thought than that. What a mistake that was.

Anyways, my thoughts on Obama that I outlined in my explanation, I do not claim to know how everything is going to turn out. A lot of it is based on what I have been hearing from his speeches and also a gut feeling. If I am wrong, I would bet that it will not be on the foreign affairs issues but rather on the economic and domestic issues. He could take this nation off on a socialist bent, but I have NO reason to believe that he will weaken this country militarily by ignoring or underestimating our foes and problems in the world out there.

Also, another thing to remember is this... while Obama might have a very liberal voting record in the senate and folks like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Shumer, etc are the "leaders" in the Democratic Party, that is only because they have been around the longest. The Democrats have SURELY consolidated their gains from the 2006 election to the 2008 election. BUT, and I believe this is very important, those gains have LARGELY not been from the leftist precincts. What I mean to say is that what you see is many of these new Democratics Reps. and Senators are either Moderate or Conservative (such as the growth of the Blue Dog Coalition). Not all of them, to be sure, but there is a trend there. I hope you conservative folks would be able to take solace in that, at least, that it might not be so easy to push through a leftist agenda.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

cleopatra143 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:55:21 GMT

[quote][b]frogmanFW (11/5/2008)[/b][hr][quote]As a last hack on some of the extreme left, I sure hope I don't hear any ultra-right saying disrespectful garbage like "Obama is not MY President" like I heard several lefters say about Bush on TV and a few in person over his term. Respect... is it so hard?[/quote]

Y'know NC, I think john McCain did an excellent job last night of basically asking the same question. His comments about "my president" and all - that showedhonor and sincerety. I hope the rest of the right and the country in general can follow his lead on that.[/quote]I loved his speech last night. I have always liked McCain as a person and really wished that he had won the nomination in 2000. He is someone who has served this country so well and I think that this was his ultimate dream. I suppose this was his last chance and I do feel a bit sorry for him.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

frogmanFW — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:52:23 GMT

[quote]As a last hack on some of the extreme left, I sure hope I don't hear any ultra-right saying disrespectful garbage like "Obama is not MY President" like I heard several lefters say about Bush on TV and a few in person over his term. Respect... is it so hard?[/quote]

Y'know NC, I think john McCain did an excellent job last night of basically asking the same question. His comments about "my president" and all - that showed honor and sincerety. I hope the rest of the right and the country in general can follow his lead on that.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Roadkill — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:44:57 GMT

[quote][b]Nuclearcow (11/5/2008)[/b][hr]Pravda
[quote]Only Satan would have been worse than the Bush regime.[/quote]lol. Yep, thats Pravda.[/quote]

-But... Obama's the Antichrist. Iz tru, I swearz, I reads it on teh Raptuur Readiiii.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Nuclearcow — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:08:29 GMT

If you guys are interested in what some of the world is saying about the election:

BBC

Pravda
[quote]Only Satan would have been worse than the Bush regime.[/quote]lol. Yep, thats Pravda.

Al Jazeera
(which some of you guys might think is terrorist news network or something similar, but this article, at least, is pretty objective sounding.)

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Nuclearcow — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:54:37 GMT

Biz, you're right about the man's charisma and even though his Socialist and wealth distribution ideas scare me (Yeah, yeah, Roadkill...) he does that to me as well when he speaks. He says a lot of the right things and sure looks like he believes them when he's saying it. Hoping for the best.

I heard a few minutes of Rush Limbaugh when I was driving yesterday and he made a comment about how he'll be disgusted when some Syrians, Palestinians, etc are dancing in the streets if Obama was elected, and I thought about it for a moment and think thats actually a GOOD thing, if you get past the initial thought of me agreeing with Rush that its creepy. If those guys think higher of Obama, and Iran does, Pakistan, etc, etc, doesn't that make it more likely for them to deal with us peacefully? Whether or not its fair, if they think Bush is evil, and they like Obama.... thats IS another plus.

As a last hack on some of the extreme left, I sure hope I don't hear any ultra-right saying disrespectful garbage like "Obama is not MY President" like I heard several lefters say about Bush on TV and a few in person over his term. Respect... is it so hard?

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

frogmanFW — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:43:38 GMT

The folks at my Fantasy Football message board (mostly conservative working-class folks) are [i]freaking out[/i] right now. Talking about, well, let me quote them:

[quote]If indeed we still go to school in 4 years and are not dodging eplosives planted in our street and living in a "green zone" [/quote]

[quote]I will lighten up when I know that my husband will be going off to war with the best of equipment with him. That the military will be taken care of and not have their bonuses or education cut to pay for someone else to go the freaking hospital. I will lighten up when I see that Obama will not take away my right to bear arms or the right to listen to talk radio. I will lighten up when Obama proves to me that he will not take my family hard earned money and give it to the lazy *** people who do nothing. I will lighten up when my childrens future is safe. I will lighten up when I know that I can go to the doctor at anytime I feel I need to go and not wait for someone to tell me I am sick enough to go.[/quote]

and along those lines

[quote]with the Military that Obama is planning on cutting and taking away modern and more safe body armor for them.[/quote]

I didn't quite catch that as part of PRESIDENT Obama's plan...

People :rolleyes:

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Tosk — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:41:39 GMT

Ironically ... and fittingly ... "Ship of Fools" was on opposite Obamas acceptance speech ...

*
Did things just get better? ... or worse?

~John McClane~ "Die Hard II"
*

Time will tell ...

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Comedy Dave — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:11:52 GMT

Shall I lock this thread now it's all over???....

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:56:39 GMT

Yes Bismarck, I agree. It's OVER!!!!! FINAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! :)

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

Bismarck2990 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:46:30 GMT

I just watched the speeches.

On that note, I'm going to be optimistic and tell my previous analytical side to keep quiet for awhile. There's something about Obama, when you watch him up there behind the mic talk about the country and people, that makes you want to believe in him. I'm talking with my friends as this is all going on--who've never had any sort of interest in politics, and they're ecstatic over his win. Hell, I saw a live shot of Jesse Jackson crying, a guy I normally disagree with to no end on a number of issues and was actually taken back and smiled feeling happy for the guy.

However, McCain has always been a great guy in my books and I have a lot of respect for him and his service to the country. I'm a individual who's been to my step father's Kilo (Marine platoon, Vietnam) reunions numerous times and McCain just brought those same feelings of trust, family like sentiment, and profound respect I observe for all the individuals I've been able to meet through them. I sincerely felt sad for him by his loss and had hoped America could've experienced his version of change. His speech was great and he exhibited the same classy nature he's been known for in it's deliverance.

At the end of the night though, the least I can say is that the atmosphere certainly feels lighter.

RE: Random Election 2008 stuff

cleopatra143 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:42:09 GMT

I was pretty impressed with Obama's speech, but Clinton was also great at giving speech's and I didn't trust him much either. Even though I did not vote for Obama, I am hopeful that things are going to get better (how could they get worse?).

I was watching BET tonight and I was impressed by what they were saying. Basically, Obama being president means nothing if the African American people can't come together and do what needs to be done to make positive change. They also talked about changing their hiphop culture because they have a positive male role model in such a high seat of power. 'No more rebelling to fight "the man" because "the man" is us!'

By the way, did anyone hear that as many as 200,000 absentee ballots did not get sent overseas in time? If true, I could see that being a bone of contention in the coming weeks.

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Locus Coeruleus — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:22:06 GMT

McCain gave a very gracious concession speech, Obama a very impressive acceptance speech.

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Roadkill — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:12:19 GMT

-I'm going to bed.

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Nuclearcow — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:09:22 GMT

57 pages on this thread. Impressive, no?

Well, I wasn't big on Obama, but the man does have some positives and its also a positive that so much of the world is stricken with him as well. Can't hurt. Hoping for the best.

Now, for the conspiracy theorists out there, do you guys know what happens if a President elect doesn't make it to inaugeration? No, it doesn't go to the V.P. nominee, and then the Speaker of the House as though they he was President already... it goes back to the electoral college, who will get together and pick. Which means, probably Hillary! :D Now THERE'S a nightmare.

By the way... where's Muk, aka -M-. That man owes me 20 imaginary buxx!

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Roadkill — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:06:55 GMT

-Franken's slipping.

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Locus Coeruleus — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:40:07 GMT

Yeah, 60 is unlikely, but they'll be around 58-59. They won't have the party-numbers to overcome filibuster, but maybe that is a good thing for the country as a whole.

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Roadkill — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:15:42 GMT

-Do you think the Dems will get 60 seats in the Senate? Looks like quiiiiiiiiite a stretch, but who knows. I'm keeping an eye on Al Franken.