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RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Scipio Africanus — Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:51:35 GMT

Welcome twisted. Excellent avatar!

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

twistedspark — Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:17:44 GMT

[quote][b]Scipio Africanus (12/15/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]jerm (12/14/2006)[/b][hr]
I'm hoping that the third edition of Civ4 will primarily be focused on providing a modder's kit, and I have the sense that this is what they claimed it would be. So my sense is that there will not be a third pack that expands on Warlords akin to the way Conquests expanded on PTW.[/quote]

Yeah, this is my only *** about it so far. Conquests was great but I had already made several great mods that were pretty close by the time it came out. Unless you're proficient at writing in xml, you can't mess with cIV at all. WTF:exclamationmark::angry:
I need to modify the way these "neutral" neighbors of mine keep giving my distant enemies right of passage. I keep these clown from doing hit-n-run strikes along my border unless I give my semi-friendly neighbor the right to drive his tanks up to my capitol city and just park there??? :w00t:
Yeah, right. I can just imagine Poland letting Germany do that to attack Russia...
I digress a little. We need a mod program. :D

Thanks for the welcome, jerm.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

mongoose201 — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:12:35 GMT

This poll is now closed... Please see new poll here.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

ddmagnan — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:09:31 GMT

Warlords adds enough to the game to be worth it.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Scipio Africanus — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:13:19 GMT

[quote][b]jerm (12/14/2006)[/b][hr]Is it comparable to Play the World? I had been hoping to hold out for when the second expansion pack came out but if we get a Dgame Warlords, I guess I'll have to pay for both. DOH![/quote]

No I would say it is more akin to Conquests WITHOUT as much of the extra civs as you got in PTW.

There are some new buildings, some new civs, some scenarios, and some new "rules" and units (including IIRC, some new promotions). However, there are not as many new civs as in PTW, and about the same amount of rule and stuff changes as in Conquests.

I'm hoping that the third edition of Civ4 will primarily be focused on providing a modder's kit, and I have the sense that this is what they claimed it would be. So my sense is that there will not be a third pack that expands on Warlords akin to the way Conquests expanded on PTW.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

jerm — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:50:50 GMT

Is it comparable to Play the World? I had been hoping to hold out for when the second expansion pack came out but if we get a Dgame Warlords, I guess I'll have to pay for both. DOH!

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Scipio Africanus — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:28:55 GMT

Warlords is not quite as much of a change around as was C3C to Vanilla C3, but it is an improvement. The scenarios are the funnest part for me.

Peloponesian War, Alexander the Great, these two are quite good. Have not had a chance to play the others yet. Very much unit-focused strategy sorts of scenarios, with alternate tech trees, alternate units, etc. Haven't finished either one yet, but have games incipient for both. The warlords scenarios at least show the potential of the Civ4 engine for making really fun historically-derived scenarios.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Bismarck2990 — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:01:41 GMT

I have yet to purchase Warlords but I guess could be persuaded to buy it. Also, here's some news: We've already passed the Civilized numbers in this poll. Good signs, in my opinion.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

jerm — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:03:45 GMT

Maybe we should have a poll that reads as follows:

Do you have Warlords?

-yes
-no
-no but I plan to get it
-yes but I plan to put it in the shredder

Addit: 13 votes ain't bad. I'd still like to see more though.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:15:18 GMT

Gentlemen, do we really know how many people do have Warlords?? A couple of people like Tosk and PSweet said they do not, nor do they intend on getting it , a couple of people like HD and jerm said they plan on getting it in the short term. The rest, we have no idea. It's just an assumption that most people do not, and I think it is a poor assumption at best!!!! :w00t:

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

HistoryDude — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:53:58 GMT

I voted vanilla for the same reason psweet gave. I think more people have it and are not planning on buying Warlords. That said, you can really still participate to some degree still if you don't have Warlords and that is chosen. I should be getting Warlords some time next year, I imagine...just don't know when...?

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

jerm — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:41:53 GMT

I voted vanilla as well. BTW, we've already got 10 votes. If we get up to 20 I think that will be a good indication that it will work.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:40:46 GMT

I voted for Warlords, for reasons such as Twisted Spark mentioned, among others. It is the most current update to Civ4, it has improved upon Vanilla Civ4. Moreover, A D-game is kind of a long term thing, and I don't see why we should ignore this progress that has been made.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

jerm — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:40:28 GMT

Well it looks like we're already bringing in new members. Welcome Twisted spark.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

twistedspark — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:59:07 GMT

I voted for Warlords. I seem to be in the minority, but I like the Great Generals units they've added. The whole vassalage thing may or may not be good, I dunno yet, but there're some cool new small changes.:satisfied:

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Bismarck2990 — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:40:24 GMT

I've voted vanilla but I have no particular care in regards to which version is used.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

psweetman1590 — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:56:23 GMT

Basically, I agree with Tosk.

RE: Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

Tosk — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:50:06 GMT

Vanilla

I do not own warlords ... and I will not buy it unless I have some indication that it will not be discarded after a month or two, as was vanilla. This has nothing to do with price ... I simply refuse to support bad games no matter how good the past efforts were.

Vanilla CivIV or Warlords?

mongoose201 — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:25:00 GMT

Please choose which you prefer to play. After you have voted, reply with your reasoning.

Thanks.