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RE: Option Nominations

queen val — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:30:35 GMT

I just want to capp, and take and get. That's not to much to ask is it?:hehe::w00t::P

RE: Option Nominations

mongoose201 — Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:15:01 GMT

The polls are now in progress in The Voting Booth....

Don't forget to vote.

RE: Option Nominations

mongoose201 — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:58:06 GMT

Option Nominations are now closed... I'll get the polls started for all the Options mentioned tomorrow.

Thanks

RE: Option Nominations

maniacalmonkey — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:54:17 GMT

Guess we'll have to settle this the way a democracy should - a scavenger hunt!

No, wait, I mean a vote :D

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:37:44 GMT

:hehe: Yea, besides putting a lot of pressure on our leadership.:Whistling:

RE: Option Nominations

jerm — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:49:15 GMT

I agree it's fun in a personal game but the question is whether or not it would be fun in a Dgame or just tedious.

RE: Option Nominations

Zone — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:31:03 GMT

[quote]Ah yes, I fogot about that but then why setup the Raging Barbs in the first place? [/quote]
Because it's more challenging, and I find it entertaining :) They also make good fodder to get your units up to 10hp.

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:15:26 GMT

Okay. I see the sense in not limiting. But it would have been interesting to see how 1bc faired in a violent world.;)

RE: Option Nominations

jerm — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:46:53 GMT

Agreed. Breaking from the default games may be fun for a single person but a democracy game is supposed to encourage choices, not limit them.

RE: Option Nominations

maniacalmonkey — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:45:40 GMT

Not only that, but limiting our options too far off the default will also limit the room we have to choose different overall strategies. Raging Barbs, for example, would require us to have quite a military build-up during the early game, making life hard for the political "doves" that might want to shoot for a more scientific or cultural strategy. Keeping our options open means more room for political diversity, means a better game :cool:

RE: Option Nominations

Zigeuner — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:47:24 GMT

[quote]As a Human I'm only a few steps ahead of spear chucking apes.[/quote]Run for it, man, run, run!

I haven't played enough Civ4 to recommend anything, except that if we are playing at a difficulty level that is pretty tough (as many seem to think Prince is), then we should be reluctant to remove options such as victory types or razing. In a pinch we may need to get slick or drastic and it would be hateful if we couldn't because of... optimism. [url=http://planetsmilies.net][img]http://planetsmilies.net/alien-smiley-124.gif[/img][/url]

RE: Option Nominations

jerm — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:58:08 GMT

Ah yes, I fogot about that but then why setup the Raging Barbs in the first place?

RE: Option Nominations

Zone — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:46:20 GMT

[quote]Even if you are playing on Warlord difficulty (not Noble) raging barbs means that you will have to build a ton of military and likely fall behind in Tech. In the Warlords expansion, this can work pretty well cause you can train your troops up to 10/17 experience and this counts toward your Great Leader points. But in Vanilla it is largely a pain in the arse cause of the importance of building culture, etc.[/quote]
You do not get Great General points from fighting barbs. you can only reach 5exp points fighting animals, and 10 fighting barb units.

Simple soloution - Build the Great Wall!!!

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:32:40 GMT

Good to know! Upgraded Ape should NOT be confused with perfect ape. As a Human I'm only a few steps ahead of spear chucking apes.:hehe:

RE: Option Nominations

Locus Coeruleus — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:51:13 GMT

Definitely not, sir. shoot, for the Civilized Civ4 D-game, we even had folks in the legislative branch of the government, who didn't even OWN civ4. It might be kind of difficult to be the Turn-Player if you don't have access to Civ4, but other than that, any Upgraded Ape should be able to figure things out! :w00t:

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:13:09 GMT

Thanks guys. I was worried that for the time being anyway, my not being able to run the game here at home might effect my keeping up with the Dgame in some way.

RE: Option Nominations

jerm — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:09:27 GMT

You do not recieve any "Great General points" for fighting barbs. You may get experience (up to 10 points) but none of it goes toward your Great General. If it did, I'd see some sense in Raging Barbs but still I'd not be too thrilled about it.

As for Dgames, you'll catch on pretty quickly I think. There's a lot more than just government. There's a whole role playing element which some people focus soley on. There's opportunity to be involved in press, religion, story telling, business (if you can figure out a good monetary system) or you can just try and run for office and have a say in the government. The concept is pretty cool but the more people involved, the funner :P it is.

RE: Option Nominations

Rishbhav — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:36:45 GMT

Help with what? If its Civ4, the manual is actually suprisingly good (try reading the afterword). For Dgames in general, check out the [url=civilized.invisionzone.com/forums]Civilized Dgame[/url], or the archives of the [url=https://www.1bigcommunity.com/community.asp?id=10078&page=8&iG=y]Last 1BC Dgame[/url]

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:27:11 GMT

Von, if it's not a lot of trouble posting links in a thread somewhere here abouts would be helpful to a lot of us newer folks to CivIV. Thanks in advance. I'm still having trouble tech problems with my system running CivIV, so I'm blind to a lot of this, but want to contribute.

RE: Option Nominations

von Clausewitz — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:00:58 GMT

[quote][b]Scipio Africanus (2/28/2007)[/b][hr]Where is that Great General Bar? I have yet to find it! But my read of the Warlord's rules & Game Concepts was that anytime a unit gains experience it goes into your overall level of military experience, and thus goes toward the Great General. Might be wrong, but my sense was that I had got 1st Great Generals from experience that was predominantly from barb fightin'.

I don't fully understand the philosophy of a DGame, but if it were me setting up a game, if I were to have Raging Barbs I'd take it down one notch in difficulty, e.g., to Warlord's Difficulty. That I think produces a pretty fun dynamic, though the late game can be pretty easy if you've done well early on.[/quote]

Military advisor screen will have a yellow bar at the bottom left corner that works like the Great People bar in the city screens. Try it out, when you get a promotion from fighting a barb, check it out and see if it moves. I could be wrong, but I don't remember ever seeing it change from fighting barbs.

The Philosphy of a DGame is fairly simple. The game is played by an elected representative and the key desicions are made by the participants or their elected representatives. There are many ways to do this, but in this particular case the elected player will be making a very large majority of the game decisions. I can send you some links by email to the DGame at Civilized with examples of a functioning DGame.

RE: Option Nominations

Scipio Africanus — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:39:02 GMT

Where is that Great General Bar? I have yet to find it! But my read of the Warlord's rules & Game Concepts was that anytime a unit gains experience it goes into your overall level of military experience, and thus goes toward the Great General. Might be wrong, but my sense was that I had got 1st Great Generals from experience that was predominantly from barb fightin'.

Thanks for clarifying permanent alliances. I'd say that is a cool option then since all it does is allow permanent alliances.

I'd say, unless other factors will mitigate the raging barbs, it could be a thrill killer. For example playing on Warlord instead of Noble diff, making sure about a good start location, specifying a civ that is aggressive versus mostly all non-aggressive AI, etc.

ADDIT: Mongoose just gave me access to the DGame area, and I read through all the past polls. Sounds like quite a sweet game ya'll been putting together! Warlords! YEAH!

RE: Option Nominations

jerm — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:31:11 GMT

If that's the case, I'd be all for that. I think what everyone is thinking of is "locked alliances" but it doesn't appear to be an option (though it's probably availiable somewhere else). I would not be for Raging Barbs after playing a PBEM where that was a setting. Once the animals are gone, you will get wave after wave of barbs which will not allow you to improve the land around you unless you have a few military units per worker (or work group) until you expand enough to eliminate the problem of "spawning" in those FOW spaces, which will hurt your economy if done too quickly. Either way, your economy is severely hampered since you can't build enough cottages (and protect them) to get your science spending in order. It's "fun" for the first little bit until you realize that they just aren't going to let up, then it's just tedious. I think for a Dgame it could potentially kill it altogether. But, hey, that's just me.

RE: Option Nominations

von Clausewitz — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:38:31 GMT

Permanent Alliances provides the option to make such deals when the required tech is discovered. Its nothing locked in at the start of the game like always war or always peace.

I have not ever noticed the Great General bar increase from fighting barbarians.

RE: Option Nominations

Bismarck2990 — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:33:19 GMT

I've never played in a Democracy Game which implemented Permanent Alliances... it could make the game pretty interesting. I'll go ahead and side with that option, the rest I'll abstain from commenting on, as I have no real opinion concerning them.

RE: Option Nominations

Scipio Africanus — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:59:08 GMT

Have you guys played on Raging barbs, or permanent alliances? These are neato if you have a specific type of scenario you want to create, but for a general epic game they can be pretty constraining.

Even if you are playing on Warlord difficulty (not Noble) raging barbs means that you will have to build a ton of military and likely fall behind in Tech. In the Warlords expansion, this can work pretty well cause you can train your troops up to 10/17 experience and this counts toward your Great Leader points. But in Vanilla it is largely a pain in the arse cause of the importance of building culture, etc.

Permanent alliances could be interesting, but only if there was only one of the 6 AI that was your ally. Actually, this would produce an interesting tradeoff in which having the ally might alleviate the pressure from the barbs a bit.

RE: Option Nominations

psweetman1590 — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:28:52 GMT

Permanent alliances. :)

RE: Option Nominations

Black Owl — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:50:14 GMT

:DRaging Barbarians and complete kills!

RE: Option Nominations

Zone — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:54:46 GMT

Raging barbarians!

Option Nominations

mongoose201 — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:10:32 GMT

Here are the available options. If you want the game in incorporate one or more of them, you must nominate them in this thread. We will then poll on them.

If you have any questions about a particular option, post them and we'll make sure all are understood.

Note: Lock Modified Assets is going to be selected without polling.

Nominations will be accepted for approximately 96 hours (4 days). In the US Central Time Zone, that means Friday night.