InstantForum.NET v4.1.41BC Civ Forumshttp://www.1bcciv.com/forums@1bcciv.comThu, 08 Jan 2009 09:21:33 GMT20http://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI'm itching to get going on April. Warlords I hope. Let's get it on! Actually if you could wait a week when I'm finished with all my work, that would be ideal :PThu, 05 Apr 2007 11:41:58 GMTjermhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxIn the words of the bard: Words, words, words... :PWed, 04 Apr 2007 21:36:54 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxDidn't have a chance to really play this one. April's GOTM champion title shall be mine though, so enjoy your victory while it lasts Zigeuner...........:PWed, 04 Apr 2007 11:20:05 GMTGeneral Georgeshttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote]Hope everyone enjoyed this one... I know quite a few played and got discouraged by Rish's score, but it would be cool to play it out and submit your saves so that I have more than 2 submissions a month. [/quote]</P><P>Yeah I'm with Zone. Don't take a lack of submissions as a lack of interest! I played it up to like 1980 or something, so I was definitely interested. But once I saw Rish had it won in like the 1800s it became obvious that I was not a contender. It would've been a waste of my time to finish it out. I'm GLAD that Rish finished his quick and posted it! Saved me from wasting another chunk of time with a tedious long-drawn out struggle! :w00t:Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:22:44 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxThanks mongoose, this way there's space for more of 'em... ;)<br><br>One thing that was helpful: Carthage didn't have any iron, so no Pikes, no Knights. They still declared war as soon as Shaka capitulated. I had galloped those horsies back right in time to intercept the invasion.Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:16:47 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxSubmissions should not be an indicator of interest if that is your concern. For me it was a tactical decision. I really did have no chance of beating Rish's score as I had passed him in years and had no hope of concuring Carthage. </P><P>Zig, I hadn't realized how badly beaten Carthage was for you. Truely you 'deserve' that score then. I think you are right about timing though. If you can get the timing right of when to attack, perhaps that makes all the difference. It would seem that those who had attacked Carthage earlier (Zig and Rish), kept him in check for the later game and made it easier to "finish him". Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:36:26 GMTjermhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote]PS Could I have one of those merging banners that shows one month first, then the next, instead of two separate ones? Not sure how much trouble that would be...[/quote]</P><P>Ask, and ye shall receive....Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:58:41 GMTmongoose201http://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxCongrats on that whomping Zig.<br><br>I did finish mongoose,but I figured a diplomatic loss with just over 2k points wasn't going to achieve much ;)Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:52:39 GMTZonehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxThanks for your curses and congratulations!<br><br>Winning early must be the biggest contributor, but it's amplified by other things, such as map size/ number of opponents/ difficulty.<br><br>[IMG]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/solarsinned/Duel.jpg[/IMG]<br><br>PS Could I have one of those merging banners that shows one month first, then the next, instead of two separate ones? Not sure how much trouble that would be...<br><br>PS Forced peace with raging barbarians might be fun... :D<br>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:52:55 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxFirst things first: </P><P>[b]Submission Accepted:[/b] Zigeuner - Score: [b][red]55,942[/red][/b] Victory: [b][red]Domination-1645[/red][/b]</P><P>This makes Zig our March Champion... That's two in a row. Congrats to Zig on an amazing score.</P><P>[quote][b]Scipio Africanus (4/1/2007)[/b][hr]What is score based on in Warlords? Do happy peeps figure into it like in C3C?[/quote]</P><P>This is from ingame of Zig's save on the turn before victory:</P><P><IMG src="http://www.1bcciv.com/Uploads/Images/61222d2d-7c43-4815-a620-9d5e.jpg"></P><P>Winning that early is obviously a HUGE multiplier. Perhaps it's time for a peaceful struggle in the next game.</P><P>Hope everyone enjoyed this one... I know quite a few played and got discouraged by Rish's score, but it would be cool to play it out and submit your saves so that I have more than 2 submissions a month. ;)Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:17:33 GMTmongoose201http://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxSo why do you think you got such a high score Zig? I just finished a game as Churchill that I played for about 12 hours (small Fractal map, noble diff). Won a domination victory by basically going bloody warmonger from the get go, securing my entire continent, then expanding my culture very rapidly as a Universal Suffrage, Slaving, Theocracy. I got Augustus Caesar rating, but only 27500 score.</P><P>What is score based on in Warlords? Do happy peeps figure into it like in C3C?Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:19:29 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI don't know jerm, I was steamrolling those guys when they were vassalized. They had 5 so-so cities between the two of them, not enough to make much difference. Even without vassals the Cavs would have been unstoppable; it may have taken a couple more turns, but not too many. There's just no stopping Cavs, and because of Flanking (and a Warlord Cav with healing skills) there was no end to them. The bug is there's a window of opportunity where you can lay waste to a neighbor that was your equal 2 turns ago, but now, no more...Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:43:22 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxIt would seem the bug lies in how easy it is to make someone your vassal state and that that adds to your total land area and population.Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:26:02 GMTjermhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxYeah, I didn't realize the scores went that high in the Epic games. Congratulations Zig!Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:07:14 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxDarn you!!!!<br><br><br><br>This has got to be the highest scoring GOTM ever....Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:57:44 GMTRishbhavhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[IMG]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/solarsinned/GOTM_March.jpg[/IMG]<br><br>'Tis done... 1645 AD... :)Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:26:42 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[IMG]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/solarsinned/boast.jpg[/IMG]<br><br>It's 1600 AD. Carthage has been incorporated, and Korea is about to be overrun. They don't have muskets yet. :w00t: <br><br>It feels like I'm exploiting a bug of some sort: Make a mad dash for Cavalry, upgrade your Knights, and win without *any* resistance...Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:33:55 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxYou may not know it yet Rish, but I'm giving you a run for your money... Carthage (the city) has fallen to my Cavs. Those Numidian Horsemen just aren't as effective later on. :P <br><br>I may be able to wrap this up this weekend. Then we'll see if you win at all! :)Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:05:25 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxYou haven't, I finished, I just didn't bother with a screenshot etc. I said I can provide one if necessary.Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:56:17 GMTZonehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxCome on, don't make me win by default with a score like this!Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:46:49 GMTRishbhavhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote]It's 450 BC, and I have 5 cities[/quote]Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:24:58 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote]But the warlord can only attach itself to one unit, not 10.[/quote]<br>Really? That's a bummer... I was dreaming already of a stack of Catapults with 2 moves... :Wow:Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:59:57 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxBut the warlord can only attach itself to one unit, not 10. Plus all that experience is distributed among 10 units (which means you probably won't even be able to promote them all) but you will only be able to upgrade one for free.Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:31 GMTjermhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxMaybe I still have an older .sav from my game, so you can see what faster expansion did to my economy. I'll look tonight...<br><br>Another thing about those free upgrades from Warlords... if you have an early war and get a batch of veteran units, wouldn't it make sense to join as many units as possible to a Warlord, because then you can update your army for free? Join a Warlord to 10 Chariots, upgrade to Cavalry, save 2000+ gold. Is one ueber-unit really *that* important?Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:57:04 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote][b]Zone (3/27/2007)[/b][hr]I don't know how hannible survived with so many cities, I'd have thought his economy would have crashed.[/quote]</P><P>I've got a serious question about the game in this regards. It seem the AI never have to worry about such economic vs. expansion considerations. I'm struggling behind at 50-60% science with like 3 Cities while Hannibal and the Ottomans were taking off. My culture was out the roof (even had 3 flip to me), but I had no hope of keeping up in points and science because they [b]far[/b] outpaced me in Cities early on, yet when I built a new one while land was for the taking, I had to drop science spending another 10%. :pinch: I don't understand. I got attacked by the Ottomas (they were Free Religion) and didn't have the forces to resist until losing a couple cities. :(Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:27:27 GMTHistoryDudehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxWell I've finished! But I lost... Diplomatic... I had too small a population to have enough impact on the voting, although it was interesting that I was actually in the vote at all because I was the third largest in size and had the third highest score. However, I was 2nd in culture. I don't know how hannible survived with so many cities, I'd have thought his economy would have crashed. Maybe it's because he never had to support a war... anyway, he and shaka between them had about 60 to 70% of the land and population, and they were best of buddies, so it was only a matter of time.<br><br>I finished with a score of 2530 or so because it was a loss so the corrected score was the same as the game score (or whatever you want to call them). It was some time in the very early 1900's I can post a screen shot and save if you really want ;)Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:40:31 GMTZonehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxCool. I didn't realize it was free. So many new details to realize and figure out *sigh* OMTS strikes yet again . . .Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:57:37 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxYup, that's always a useful thing. With a warlord I tend to find my most experienced, low tech attacking unit and dump all the exp points on him and upgrade. Then you have an uber unit :)Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:27:09 GMTZonehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspx[quote]Nah, you da winner![/quote]Hol' on, hol' on! It's 1450AD and I just finished beating the Zulus into submission. I'm the only one with Cavalry and I noticed the big guy lacks both Gunpowder and Nationalism. Perhaps I won't be razing his capital after all... <br><br>One funny thing that some of you may not realize, I attached my Warlord to an oldold little Chariot and I could upgrade it for free, that is 0 gp! :w00t:Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:08:35 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI have yet to play a GOTM, but I will finally give it a shot! :DSat, 24 Mar 2007 13:12:42 GMTGeneral Georgeshttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxNah, you da winner! I was up to like 2050 and still at war with pretty much everybody. There was even still one Turkish city out there!Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:00:23 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxkeep playing, and submit your score anway. Its fun to track how well we do each GOTM...Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:30:49 GMTRishbhavhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxWow just noticed at the very top of the thread. Rishbav got a domination in 1844 with 35,500 pts! Holy Hobgoblin! I give up. No way I can compete with that! ;)Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:31:02 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI got side-tracked by the Barbarians and the Vikings scenarios... and now I'm playing my turns in the Dynasty game... we should have an extra week in April though, so I'll pick this up next and raze me a capital. Or not. You never know in Civ4. :PFri, 23 Mar 2007 00:10:53 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI believe you get credited with half of the vassels land and population.<br><br>I'm still playing, but have just built the UN (as you may have read, I'm playing this one for fun, not trying to win the GOTM) and despite Shaka not have a single negative point against me, and about +15 FOR me, he voted for the other guy, so he is UN president. I've saved for the moment. I shall carry on, but I doubt I can win diplomatically. It'll have to be space race. I only have 5 cities, one of which was built only a few turns ago as my culture has been pushing back nearby boundaries. I have second larges culture despite having only 4 big cities and I am leader in techs, I'm pulling in 70+ gpt at 100% science. I'm Hindu and EVERY city on the planet has the hindu religion in it. I established every religion except confusism (can't be bothered to spell that correctly right now). Happily trundling along. Basically No one has gone to war because I'm in the way and I'm not a big enough threat for them to try and take me down, and not soft enough for them to steam roller over me.Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:36:00 GMTZonehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxAnyone else still playin' this? I'm up to about 2030 and it is just never ending. They won't die!Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:39:02 GMTScipio Africanushttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxSo if another civ is your vassal, that counts towards your land area? Man, I screwed up by not making the Zulus and Turks vassals as part of the peace treaty. I may revisit that period right before peace. If it wasn't for Mr. Huge Easterly neigbor, I'd have this one in the bag I think. Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:48:40 GMTjermhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxI was trying for a cultural win, and probably would have got it (though not at rish's score. However, Mr. Free Religion, attacked, as suspected, and had me vastly outnumbered. He re-took that his old city that rebelled to me and was devasting my interior. I had enough forces to defend my other cities, but couldn't keep up with his numbers to go on the offensive. :pinch:Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:59:47 GMTHistoryDudehttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxHow big a stack did you initially use? Where did the Turks fit in? <br><br>I think after I'm all done and have posted my score (if any), I'll revisit this game from the very start and try to take out a neighbor and a half real fast. It's never too late to adopt a sound strategy...Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:29:23 GMTZigeunerhttp://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2233158-80-1.aspxYeah, I tend to attack enemies before they become a threat.<br><br>What I did in my game: (Spoilers 'cause I refer to specific civs)<br><br>[spoiler]<br>First I took out Cartahge nearly as soon as I met him, with a stack of Gallic Warriors. Being able to build 'em without copper was a godsend for me. I took most of their western cities, and left them with the north.<br><br>Next I went after Shaka, once I had construction, and an army of gallic warriors. He fell pretty quickly, and I made him a vassal with one island. <br><br>Then, I realized that I was behind in techs (like seriously behind), so I put my warmongering on hold for a bit to race for rifling, wihle I built a stack of longbows. Once I got rifling I upgraded all my longbows to rifles, and marched them into Korea. Korea fell fast, and they too were a vassal on an island.<br><br>Finally, I marched north to what was left of Carthage, beat themup a bit, vassalized 'em, and got the win.<br>[/spoiler]Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:15:03 GMTRishbhav