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RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Bismarck2990 — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:16:20 GMT

I've managed to pull myself away from cIV and got one of the drafts out of the way. It's up for discussion and view to hammer out the kinks if there are any. In regards to the Vice President, however, I've drawn blanks as far as what I could propose to give the position more appeal.

The "Tie-Breaking Votes Draft" is also in my signature for quick access. :arrow:

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Bismarck2990 — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:46:03 GMT

I'm willing to dish out some drafts dealing with the subject at hand. However, aside from 1BC and classes this past week, I should be considered dead here until I get at least one game of civ under my belt tonight. If somebody wants to beat me to the punch in drafting some of these, now would be the time to do so.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:16:46 GMT

Anyone want to write up a draft? ;)

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Bismarck2990 — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:13:31 GMT

I'm in agreement in thinking the Princep should be the person who receives the tie-breaking vote. It would seem to be logical as it's balanced by the fact the Senate is the one who actually votes him in (and the position itself). As far as who gets the tie-breaking vote during Princep Elections, I imagine the most convenient choice would indeed be the President as you've suggested CD.

In regards to Senate expansions, I'm in the same mindset as psweet on the subject. There's been some competition in the recent election and I'd wager it'd be best to keep things as they are to encourage said competition. There would also be no certainty that we'll always have as many willing to run for the Senate in the future. I could also imagine that if it was expanded, as result, people could be forced to continue running for the Senate each term just to keep it filled.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:58:27 GMT

LC, I thought you already had the Temple of Coeruleus? :P

Psweet is correct, there probably is no need to expand the Senate size at this time, however it would be prudent to determine who decides future tiebreakers.

Also need to consider who decides a tiebreaker in a Princep Election...

I think the Princep should have the casting vote in Senate Elections, and maybe the President gets the decider in a tied Princep election...

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

psweetman1590 — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:53:48 GMT

Beg your pardon gents, seems my deputy got out of his cage again...

*shoos LC back to his corner*

I'm not sure expanding the Senate to four would be all that good of an idea. We had some competition and a vote last election, so it's probable that we could fill an extra seat. But then there wouldn't be any elections, and the people should not be forced to accept any one in office simply because the seat is uncontested. There ought to be elections (more of them, imo), and creating another seat will eliminate that.

Of course, if we eventually grow to a larger population base, increasing the size of the Senate is the sensible thing. Now, it seems to be prone to more ill fortune than good.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Locus Coeruleus — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:29:48 GMT

I think y'all need to construct a monument in my honour! :w00t:

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:49:09 GMT

Sorry, not trying to give you grief.

I think the Princep should have the deciding vote otherwise the distinction between the Executive branch and Senate gets muddled.

I'll raise an article of law vote soon if no one objects.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Mr. G — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:33 GMT

Just give it to somebody and stop giving me grief. It's a good idea.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:30:36 GMT

[quote]I would also give him the tie-breaking vote in the Senate so that the Senate could be expanded to 4 seats.[/quote]

Weren't we considering giving the tie-breaker vote to the princep?... ;)

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Mr. G — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:20:57 GMT

[quote][b]Comedy Dave (7/20/2007)[/b][hr]Looking quickly at the Constitution, we would need to make this addition:

[quote]6b: The President's choice of Vice-President must be endorsed through the Senate by means of quorum vote.[/quote]

It would be as simple as that. Do you guys find this acceptable to be put to the public vote?[/quote]

I would also give him the tie-breaking vote in the Senate so that the Senate could be expanded to 4 seats.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:06:32 GMT

[quote]The senate generated two articles of law in four months. What exactly do you mean by eventually? [/quote]

Hmm... maybe in 4 years... ;)

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Zigeuner — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:49:11 GMT

[quote]I might be able to create the thread, but I don't have the power to sort permissions. You'll probs have to speak to 'goose.[/quote]Heh, if someone else does it, you won't get complaints from me.

[quote]The only problem with one thread is that it will eventually get long with articles of law. Would that be ok? Or would everyone prefer a specific board to put threads into?[/quote]The senate generated two articles of law in four months. What exactly do you mean by [i]eventually[/i]? :D

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:07:44 GMT

Looking quickly at the Constitution, we would need to make this addition:

[quote]6b: The President's choice of Vice-President must be endorsed through the Senate by means of quorum vote.[/quote]

It would be as simple as that. Do you guys find this acceptable to be put to the public vote?

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:56:24 GMT

[quote]Perhaps there is no need to legislate this, but I believe sword was onto something when he said there should be a task force *now* to plan future city locations. The president may want to ask the VP to lead such task forces, if the VP doesn't start them on his own... [/quote]

Good idea - that will save us legislating... ;)

[quote]Mongoose continues to be an excellent president, but he is not president for life (hopefully). Many things can happen, and I believe it best that we install this one extra step to prevent a possible disaster later on (though disasters generate some pretty good cartoons).[/quote]

LOL... ok I think this may need a proposed change to the constitution. Better see what's involved on this one.

[quote]I'll create a pinned thread in the SC in which I'll copy the actual articles of law. Um, as soon as I'm legally able to, of course.[/quote]

I might be able to create the thread, but I don't have the power to sort permissions. You'll probs have to speak to 'goose.

The only problem with one thread is that it will eventually get long with articles of law. Would that be ok? Or would everyone prefer a specific board to put threads into?

Well, I suppose that gets the ball rolling a bit, lets get through these tasks and see what comes up next? ;)

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Zigeuner — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:52:24 GMT

I understand that I am not a senator, but the senate has always had an open door policy, and I'm afraid I snuck in again. Some of the ideas mentioned here were first proffered by me, so I'll briefly chime in.

[quote] * Giving the Vice President something to do[/quote]Perhaps there is no need to legislate this, but I believe sword was onto something when he said there should be a task force *now* to plan future city locations. The president may want to ask the VP to lead such task forces, if the VP doesn't start them on his own... :)

[quote] * Potentially requiring the Senate to endorse the President's choice for VP?[/quote]Mongoose continues to be an excellent president, but he is not president for life (hopefully). Many things can happen, and I believe it best that we install this one extra step to prevent a possible disaster later on (though disasters generate some pretty good cartoons).

[quote] * Forum required as a repository for official article of law threads, so they don't get lost.[/quote]I'll create a pinned thread in the SC in which I'll copy the actual articles of law. Um, as soon as I'm legally able to, of course. :P

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

Bismarck2990 — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:20:54 GMT

In regards to the SC Clerk position -- I would like to be involved in discussions to introduce such. As others have pointed out, the game has stalled twice now due to absences in the court and we should now more than ever, make sure to eliminate such possibilities of repeat scenarios.

There's undoubtedly more which should be done, however, I'm really at loss towards specifics in the present (besides what's already been mentioned above). Thus, I propose we follow up with a previous suggestion I read, to centralize such ideas in one thread that pertained towards improvement of the Consitution and use the said thread as our think-tank.

RE: 3rd Term Senate Agenda

psweetman1590 — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:50:48 GMT

[quote]Giving the Vice President something to do[/quote]

Not sure why that needs to be done. They have about as much to do as our own deputies do, which seems about right to me.

[quote]Forum required as a repository for official article of law threads, so they don't get lost.[/quote]

I would suggest that this either be located in the SC forum, or that we simple sticky the voting threads for each law passed (the full text of each Law is presented in the first post of these threads) so that they are easily visible and it can be seen that they were, in fact, passed.

3rd Term Senate Agenda

Comedy Dave — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:28:05 GMT

Senators,

The time is right to start determining what needs to be discussed and voted upon during this term. Here are my initial suggestions, let me know if you have any more:

Supreme Court

Whatever needs to occur from the fallout from the "impeachment" thread
Creating a Deputy/Clerk for the Supreme Court, and what this would entail

Vice Presidency

Giving the Vice President something to do
Potentially requiring the Senate to endorse the President's choice for VP?

Housekeeping

Forum required as a repository for official article of law threads, so they don't get lost.