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7/7/2005 5:43 PM


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I'm kinda hesitant to do this for the C3c units as some of the info returned won't make sense, but ehre they are nonetheless.


The Byzantines
I'm completely unsure how naval power factors in. If it uses the same formula reg units use (it might, who knows?)
Treime = 30 shields 1/1 3 per health, 12/30 = .4 (ships are going to appear much much weaker for cost than reg units. A trime for 3 times the cost will read the same as a warrior. Hehe, and curraghs will measure as the same strength as a treime I think)

Dromon = 30 2/1 5 per health = .66 per shield.. Which is a huge increase (167% of a reg trieme) and I'm not taking into account the affect f bombard either. Unfortunately I really doubt the number of dromon in a byzantine fleet is going to inflate it's military power much.


The Dutch
Pikeman 1/3. 5 per health, 20/30 .667 / shield (hehe, the trend for defensive units to read very weak while offensive ones very powerful is quite interesting)
Swiss Merc 1/4 6 per health 24/30 = .8

Works out to be 120% the strength of the base unit, about what you'd expect now.


The Hittites
Hehe, this'll be a funny comparison... Fast units always are.
Chariot = 1/1 20 shields, 0.6 per shield
3man chariot = 2/2 30 shields, 6 per health (same as swiss merc actually) .8


133% the stregnth of a reg chariot... Once again, this means next to notta though... A swordsmen for the same price will read 133% the stregnth of the hittite chariot, so if anything the hittite military will read weaker than what it is.


The Incans
Hey, a divide by 0 (scouts read as power level of 0). The incans are going to read even weaker than the aztecs would.
Warrior = 1/1 = 1.2 per sheidl
Chasqui Scout = 1/1 = .6 per shield.

Ya, it's going to read as half a warrior... Pretty much if you have a military of all warriors that reads the same strength as the AI's military of chasqui scouts, be afraid.


The Mayans
Another one that'll be weaker.
Spearman is .8
The javelin thrower = .5333

Hard to determine much from this really. bleh, like I said, c3c civ's would be weird. If a Mayan military consisting of javelin throwers is reading the same strength as your military of warriors, they are producing 3 shields to your 2. Other than that, kinda hard to draw any conclusions.

The Portuguese
Not going to bother. One interesting comment I never knew til now:
Unlike a caravel, if a carrack ends its turn in an Ocean square,it will not sink


The Sumerians
I dislike this unit, but it's also going to read as one of the largest increase
warriors are 1.2
enkidu warriors are 1/2 = 4 per health = 1.6 per shield (I think that might be the highest power to shield ratio in the game)
133% the strength of the base unit... Good increase. A Sumeria civ is going to read much more powerful early on, and in some ways rightfully so.

My reasoning for disliking the unit (and the aztecs and inca units) are because of the exceedingly early golden age they create.
7/7/2005 5:48 PM


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Hmm the numbers are a bit hard to see like this. I'll do a summary post and will addit it under this post:


The Sumerians - 133% warrior
The Greeks - 125% spearmen
The Indians - 125% Knight
The Persians - 125% swordsmen
The Babylon - 120% archer
The Romans - 120% swordsmen
The Dutch - 120% pikemen
The French - 112% musketmen (125 if calced for vanilla)
The Ottomans 101% Cavlary
The Japanese - 110% knight
The Arabs - 108% knight
The Mongols - 108% knight
The Germans, Zulu, Chinese,Russia - same reading as base unit 100%!.
The Carthiginians - 88% swordsmen
The Vikings - 80% medieval infantry
The Celts - 75% swordsmen
The Mayans - 66% Spearmen
The Aztecs - 66% warrior
The Incans - 50% warrior


Little analysis (the point of this entire thread)... When the above civs hit their UU (and can produce alot of them), their power level is going to be read differently and therefore the AI will treat you differently.

Civs that are higher on this list are going to read themselves as significantly more powerful than you if you have produced an idententical set of units they have (You make 10 warriors and have a military strength of 120. The sumerians who made 10 enkidu warrior will read at 160. That is enough for them to consider themselves as have a more powerful military towards you and as such will take a much more aggressive stance to you. Reversely, the aztecs may be far superior in military spending, but have their military read as weaker than yours

Unsures:
The Koreans
The Byzantines
The Portuguese
The English
The Americans

Misrepresented:
The Hittites
The Egyptians
The Iroquios
The Spanish

All the fast units go screwy due to the complete lack of speed factoring into the equation.
7/8/2005 6:10 PM


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A Sumeria civ is going to read much more powerful early on, and in some ways rightfully so.
Maybe I (also) like it so much because the AI is a bit intimidated and doesn't try to invade with 2 Warriors... Much better if it waits until Archers...

Thanks for doing this!

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