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Game Master
The Game Master is a person unaffiliated with the game itself(Preferrably a Moderator). He plays the game turns based on the instructions of the players.
He has no influence on the game itself.
Notary
The Notary writes reports for each turn of the game. His position is meant to make the game more accessible to people that do not own Civilization IV and to make it easier for Government Officials to get an overview of the state of the Nation.
He may have as many assistants as he wishes to help him write his reports.
He has no influence on the game itself.
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Governmental Positions
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The Government consists of three institutions; The Governate, The Senate and the Imperative.
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The Governate is the assembly of Governors.
Governors control cities. A Governor can only control one city. He controls production and citizens, as well as the units trained in that city.
The Military units controlled by the Governor are Militia. The Governor can use these units for defense or grant them to the Emperor(Temporarily or Permanently) for use in a Campaign.
The Governor must pay tribute to Senators who own the land he is working.
The Governors elect Senators.
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The Senate is the assembly of Senators.
Senators control an area of land(Example: 10 tiles). The Governor(s) working the tiles that a Senator owns must pay tribute to him.
A Senator can own Military units. The units owned by Senators are called the Senatorial Army. The Senate can use these units for defense or grant them to the Emperor(Temporarily) for use in a Campaign.
The Senate must pay tribute to the Emperor.
The Senate elect the Emperor.
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The Imperative is the Imperial body, i.e the Nation and the Emperor.
The Emperor owns two cities. He controls production and citizens, as well as the units produced in those cities.
The Emperor is High Commander of the Army and controls all armies involved in a Campaign. He has an army of his own, the Imperial Guard.
The Emperor elects Governors and divides the land taken by expansion.
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Land
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Land is represented by the tiles in which the Civilization IV map is divided.
When land is gained through peaceful expansion(Settling a new city or cultural expansion) the Emperor elects a Governor to control that city. Depending on how much land was gained it is either granted to neighbouring Senators or a new Senator is instated(Elected by the Governors on that land).
When land is gained through conquest the land is divided by participation. The Governors and Senators that had armies participating have a claim on the land gained. Land gained by a person is proportional to how many units he contributed.
Example: 10 units in the army. The Senator contributed 2. The Senator claims 20%. If the gain was ten tiles he will receive 2 tiles.
Governors and Senators can gain land. The Senator simply controls the new land as he has the rest. The Governor must grant a senator temporary control of the land. If the Governor is demoted(Not re-elected, retires) he can name himself Senator of the land he holds.
The Emperor cannot gain land but once demoted(Not re-elected, retires) he is granted land or control of a city and can choose to be either a Governor or a Senator.
Land can be traded amongst Senators and Governors at will for any reason(Tribute, support, etc.).
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Gold
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Governors gain gold through their cities. The gold earned is owned by the Governors(Except for tribute to the Senate). The gold accumulated in the State Treasury is mostly controlled by Governors, with a small amount controlled by the Senate and Emperor.
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Government
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The Senate rules over internal and external affairs. They decide what civics to implement, what to research, etc. The Senate also elect the Emperor.
The Emperor is High Commander of the Army and only he can start and end Campaigns. The Emperor can start a Campaign by asking for Senate and/or Governate support. Only the Senate can grant the Emperor use of the Senatorial Army and only indivdual Governors can grant the use of their Militia units. The Emperor also divides gained land. The Emperor elects Governors.
The Governors control their cities. They elect Senators that control the area in which their citizens work.
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| Thanks a lot for getting this up, the idea certainly has some promise, and the more I think about it, the more I like it. This system opens up positions of lesser work, the Governors (or shall I start calling it the Governate  ) while still keeping my favorite system of government, the Senate. It is, as you said, a while from finishing, but I think it a great starting point.There are some issues that are apparent to me reading through it quickly. (1) How is the Senate supposed to get a military? Through city production, the Governors get their Militia and and the Emperor his Guards. The Militia can be used for invasions, but those units are still essentially the Governor's. The only thing I can figure is the Militia can be given to the Senators as tribute, but that is not specifically spelled out. In fact, the whole tribute system needs to be defined, questions such as how much, what portion, if it is up to the discretion of the tributor need to be answered. Okay (2) The beginning of the game. This is the time when I percieve the government will have the most time working itself out. There will be a shortage of positions with only one city and not alot of land, and hopefully a greater amount of interest because of the start of the game. We need to figure out a good way to keep positions open to divide the work and keep the game moving without needless bureaucracy. Perhaps it would work to have a set number of seats for Senators that will recieve land as the empire expands. I don't know. Finally (3) wouldn't it give the emperor position more attraction to have him play the game, especially when he controls offensive Campaigns? I would change the Game Master into more of a records keeper/supreme court type of role, recording who controls what and how much land one is entitled to and things of that nature. And as good of an idea the notary position is, the one who actually plays the turns is in the best position to write reports. Hopefully this gets some discussion going.  |
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| | Crap, I can't leave this well enough alone. I've gotten to thinking about Roadkill's government enough to think that it would work given the chance in the DGame. So, I think it would be wise to open up a convention, or at the very least start some new threads, to discuss and fine-tune the different sections of the proposal that need revision. You might say that this is a bit too early to get started. Hopefully, the majority of the patches will come out by the New Year, making it a good aim for the start of a DGame. That makes a little over a month, probably still a bit excessive, but getting it started right is the most important thing in a DGame. Also, what with all the holidays and vacations in Nov/Dec, it's going to be a distracted month for anyone interested. Better to get discussion moving when we have time then when we don't. |
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| How is the Senate supposed to get a military?
-The Senators attain soldiers through tribute, land trade and so on. The thing with the Senators is that their soldiers form the Senatorial Army, and this as a whole is usually much larger than any other army. This means that the Emperor will most likely speak to the Senate in order to get their support for a Campaign(War, basically). The partition of the army into Militia, Senatorial Army and Imperial Guard means that power is spread out and people need each other. I'm working on a more detailed tribute system.
The beginning of the game. This is the time when I percieve the government will have the most time working itself out.
-Yes, I saw this as an issue early on but I'm content to ignore it actually. As with any new civilization they do not have everything ready once they start and I though that the imperative could be replaced by some sort of Tibal council until the second or third city is built(I'm thinking of cutting Imperial cities to one). A council of 5 people for example who decide what to do until the civilization is large enough to implement the Imperative.
wouldn't it give the emperor position more attraction to have him play the game, especially when he controls offensive Campaigns?
-Yes, that's one thing I'll change. When I first implemented the Game Master it was for a completely different design but as the design changed the Game Master didn't. But yes, the Emperor can play the game. I would recommend a Scribe though. A person with asisstants writing reports and so on for the Government and people.
One thing i dont like about it though is that either the election or the tribute system, not both, need to be reversed.
-I'm trying to "tweak" the system so that no position is overwhelmingly powerful. As with the Game Master the current election system was intended for another system but just stuck with the new design.
Theres really no need to be nice to who they elect as theres no rewards if they do unless it goes through another position first.
-The basis of the tribute system is that the Senators control the workers, meaning only they can build improvements on the land which they own. I don't think I added this in the most recent version due to the fact that I'm currently trying to find some system that could "make" the Governors train Workers. |
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Revised Edition
Additions:
Tribune
Titles
Citizens
Votes
Elections
Revised:
Tribute
Institutions
Positions
Senator
Emperor
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Positions
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Governor
The Governor controls one city. He controls production and citizens, as well as the units trained in that city.
The Military units controlled by the Governor are Militia. The Governor can use these units for defense or grant them to the Emperor(Temporarily or Permanently) for use in a Campaign.
The Governor must pay tribute to Senator who owns the land his city is located on.
A Governor, through the Governate, can bring forward a Vote of No Confidence towards a Senator to the Tribune.
Senator
The Senator owns a land area. Any Governor who's city is loacted inside the Senator's land area must pay tribute to him.
A Senator can own Military units. The units owned by Senators are called the Senatorial Army. The Senate can use these units for defense or grant them to the Emperor(Temporarily) for use in a Campaign.
The Senate must pay tribute to the Tribune.
The Senate elect the Emperor and can bring forward a Vote of No Confidence towards him to the Tribune.
Emperor
The Emperor is the Caesar and High Commander of the Army. The Emperor controls the Capitol and production, citizens and units trained in that city.
The Emperor, being the High Commander of the Army, is the only one who can start and end a Campaign.
The Emperor elects Governors and grants titles. He also divides gained land amongst those who can lay claim to it.
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Titles
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Quaestor
An honorary title that can be granted to a Plebian by the Emperor. A person who holds this title is part of the Tribune, the assembly that elects and removes Senators from their position, act as the court and control the constitution.
Consul
An honorary title that can be granted to a Patrician by the Emperor. A person who holds this title has a vote in the Senate.
Praetor
An honorary title that can be granted to a Patrician by the Emperor. A person who holds this title is part of the Tribune, the assembly that elects and removes Senators from their positions, act as the court and control the constitution. A Praetor can admit proposals in the Tribune.
Censor
An honorary title that can be granted to a Patrician and a Plebian by the Tribune and Citizens. A person who holds this title is part of the Tribune, the assembly that elects and removes Senators from their position, act as the court and control the constitution. The position can be held for 10 turns and the Censors(Two Censors) control the Tribune.
Promagistrate
The Promagistrate is a temporary title that can be granted to a person by the Emperor. A person who holds this title temporarily siezes control of a city where a Governor is not present. A new Promagistrate must be elected every 4 turns.
Princeps Senatus
The Princeps Senatus is the leader of the Senate and is granted to a member of the Senate by the Senators. Th Princeps Senatus has limited Veto rights and has an extra vote due to his position.
Magister Equitum
The Magister Equitum is the Junior Emperor. He assumes power if the Emperor is not present or if he has been removed from his position. The Magister Equitum acts as Emperor when the Emperor is away or between the removal of an Emperor and the election of a new Emperor.
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