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11/22/2005 2:41 PM


Veteran Warlord

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Well, this is actually what I've done since Civ3. Sometimes, AI approaches you with a trade proposal that is:

a) You don't like it and there's no middle ground.
b) You don't want what s/he offers.
c) You don't want to give away what s/he wants.

At times, the ony way is to say "No". However, saying "No" may affect your relationship with the AI (I think). So, what do you do?

So far, here's what I've done. I ask for re-negotiation, clear the negotiation table, and either ask for World Map and see what he wants for that or offer a World Map and see what he gives in return. Either way, I evade his first proposal and make an entirely different proposal without the AI hating me.

Anyone done anything similar?


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11/22/2005 4:12 PM


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I was also doing this in CIV III but not sure if it really works.


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11/22/2005 4:18 PM


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It was working great in Civ3, and so far I think it's working in Civ4 too. At least from what I can tell, the AI looks happy.


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11/22/2005 8:20 PM


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This also seems to be working for me. Even if you dont leave the table with a deal, it seems less harsh of a penalty then just saying no.


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11/23/2005 1:09 PM


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I used, and use this quite alot...


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11/29/2005 2:04 PM


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Is there really a diplomatic penalty for rejecting offers? I haven't seen any among the in Civ4 listed reasons for why your relations are what they are with other empires.
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11/29/2005 5:45 PM


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Konrad von Richtmark (11/29/2005)
Is there really a diplomatic penalty for rejecting offers? I haven't seen any among the in Civ4 listed reasons for why your relations are what they are with other empires.


Hm... I am not sure, but I believe they made an ugly face if I reject the offer outright. Well, I am just being better-safe-than-sorry I am bad enough being the one who always declares war, don't need to make them hate me more than they already are.


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11/30/2005 7:01 PM


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As ono-neko stated, I always renegotiate in Civ3 just to be "on the safe side".  Then, if the AI rejects my offer I can just back out without any perceived penalty.  I have seen the AI change it's attitude after I rejected an offer such as Military alliance or trade imbargo, so there may be some penalty for rejecting offers out right. 
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Even if it does make any difference, I'm willing to take the diplomatic penalty. I consider exploiting AI bugs to be bloody gamesmanship. If the AI starts hating me, bring it on ye infidels!
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12/1/2005 1:53 PM


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I always go to renegotiate, not to get round the rep hit, but to see if they have anything worthwhile!


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