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| | Who said the Supreme Architect,a term I use to avoid using he/she/it/ball of energy/etc.. as much as possible, wants to test us? I think it is a little arrogant of us to assume we are the focus of the experiment. Perhaps the SA is testing some insect on a planet in another galaxy. Perhaps he is testing the entire Universe as a whole and we are merely a byproduct of such. A cog in the machine. You seem to be applying arguments mostly against the major faiths such as Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. However I thought the point of this thread was to state that God does not exist, not the the major religions are flawed. That is very simple to do as they are full of contradictions and has been done many times by others. I thought we where discussing the existence of the SA based on rational thought, not religious dogma. Some sects within even the major faiths do not believe in an omnipotent God. I myself never claimed in the omnipotence of the Supreme Architect. The idea of anything having omnipotence is just as mind bending as the idea of the beginning of time. Maybe the Supreme Architect is omnipotent and maybe not. I have no way of knowing. However something with omnipotences and omniscience would be able to do and know everything and thus would have no reason to create an experiment in the first place. Being omnipotent means the SA could create anything he wanted, including a perfectly working experiment. With omniscience the SA would already know how anything would turn out so what would be the point. Perhaps the SA is omnipotent and omniscient, and is just entertaining himself or testing us. I have know way of knowing. Why are we arguing the why or how when you have not accepted the who? The fact is no one really knows the who. Christians portray him as a bearded white guy, with humans created in his own image. I personally find that unlikely. Seems like religious propaganda to me. I doubt the SA is anything resembling a human. What do I think? I have no idea. With basically no evidence except what other humans have written, all I can do is guess. This brings us to the question of why believe if you do not really know the who, why, or how? Because the fact is the Universe is here and I believe the SA had something to do we with it. It is true that I do not have any way to prove it. Especially with my Deist beliefs. You also have no way to disprove my beliefs as well. We are both simply following what seems right to us. You state that you think it is foolish to believe in the SA when there is no proof. However it is just as foolish to believe that the SA does not exist with no proof. Perhaps both beliefs are foolish since there are both made without any proof. However we have to choose one or the other. Perhaps if the SA was a malevolent God, like you have sometimes alluded to, that meddled in the affairs of the Universe, maybe his existence could be proven. Perhaps he could speak to you and the smite you like in the Old Testament. Until some evidence of the existence of the SA or the how time and existence came to be, we are all just going with what we believe is right. I'm haven't been keeping current on my particle physics, but I believe the quark is still a fundamental particle. Let me ask you this, where did they all come from? I believe in the Big Bang and I assume you do as well. Where did this ball of matter come from that produced the Big Bang? Yes I know we can get into the complex discussion of, if the SA did start the Big Bang, where did the SA come from. A valid point that I cannot answer. However I live in this Universe and this Dimension, once I understand them I will try to fathom such a thing. |
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| Who said the Supreme Architect,a term I use to avoid using he/she/it/ball of energy/etc.. as much as possible, wants to test us? I think it is a little arrogant of us to assume we are the focus of the experiment.
-I was agruing psweet's definition of god, something that should be evident if you did not merely read the last post. I think we're on the same page dd, it's this the fact that people assume to know the intent of a diety that is destructive. You might believe that something created the universe(Before the big bang who knows?) but to claim that you know with absolutely no shred of evidence is just folly. The belief in a god is simply speculations.
-There are some oddities in the way most people view god that I find ammusing. I'm not trying to argue anything here, I'm just pointing out things for fun. "And he saw that it was good." Firstly, if he's omniscient then why would he have to check? Also, why would he "see?" If he knows all then he doesn't have to see anything, he would just know. And would god think? He knows, doesn't he? And does he have a memory? Surely he would have no need for it. This god image is quite odd in so many ways, I've just tackled 0.0000000001% of the implications of omniscience, there's so much more to contemplate. I have to admit, to ponder the nature an omnipotent god is very interesting, there are so many implications, for instance "Could god create a rock so heavy that he could not lift it?" This is a golden oldie, and it has two answers that are not entirely satisfactory. Oh, now I'm just wandering off here..... |
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| Roadkill (11/9/2006)
Who said the Supreme Architect,a term I use to avoid using he/she/it/ball of energy/etc.. as much as possible, wants to test us? I think it is a little arrogant of us to assume we are the focus of the experiment. -I was agruing psweet's definition of god, something that should be evident if you did not merely read the last post. I think we're on the same page dd, it's this the fact that people assume to know the intent of a diety that is destructive. You might believe that something created the universe(Before the big bang who knows?) but to claim that you know with absolutely no shred of evidence is just folly. The belief in a god is simply speculations. -There are some oddities in the way most people view god that I find ammusing. I'm not trying to argue anything here, I'm just pointing out things for fun. "And he saw that it was good." Firstly, if he's omniscient then why would he have to check? Also, why would he "see?" If he knows all then he doesn't have to see anything, he would just know. And would god think? He knows, doesn't he? And does he have a memory? Surely he would have no need for it. This god image is quite odd in so many ways, I've just tackled 0.0000000001% of the implications of omniscience, there's so much more to contemplate. I have to admit, to ponder the nature an omnipotent god is very interesting, there are so many implications, for instance "Could god create a rock so heavy that he could not lift it?" This is a golden oldie, and it has two answers that are not entirely satisfactory. Oh, now I'm just wandering off here..... I did read the entire thread Roadkill. However it seemed you had strayed from the original intent I was just checking to see what exactly your intent was. I agree that many of the major faiths have aspects that annoy me. The "we are right, everyone else is wrong" attitude and aggressive proselytism. I was actually raised Catholic but strayed as a kid as I found the dogma illogical. I guess I got my questioning attitude from my father. He was sent to a Catholic school as a boy and was often sent home for asking questions just like "Could god create a rock so heavy that he could not lift it" and "If Adam and Eve where the first humans, who did their kids marry?" He refused to accept the nun's answer of "take it on faith" and continued to do it. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson |
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