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Rishbhav

12/20/2006 7:05 PM

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I'm in too, its just all this discussion is way above my head
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Locus Coeruleus

12/20/2006 7:30 PM

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Sorry Psweet, my schedule won't allow it. I'm working on wrapping up my Ph.D. studies (Over the next 8 months or so) so I cannot further commit myself to any such misadventures. I'm sure someday you'll understand!
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HistoryDude

12/21/2006 11:58 AM

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I see your points MM. Again, I think we can easily live with this document. I'd say add the point about the President needing Senate permission in the use of Great People. Add the phrase clarifying the President's leeway and authority to engage in trades and other foreign relations. And as for the disbanding of the Senate, that's fine to keep what's in there, but I'd also add an outside mechanism of some sort. Political deadlock, or not, I just doubt the Senate will ever vote themselves out of a job. If one Senator is that disgruntled, he/she would probably just up and resign/quit!?
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maniacalmonkey

12/21/2006 12:33 PM

Go ahead, punk!

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Interesting point about individual Senators resigning... That could lead to the same sort of situation I wanted to avoid by not allowing individual Senators to be sacked. Hmmm. I'm open to suggestions on how to resolve this - as, obviously, individual Senators should have the right to resign. Right now the only way I see out of this is to a) Let the deputy become full Senator, or b) Disband the Senate altogether if one Senator quits and have new elections. I'd be in favor of "a)" - although the deputy Senator is not democratically elected, he is appointed by someone who is, and as such can be considered to have been elected by proxy.
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HistoryDude

12/21/2006 2:05 PM

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I would say option A, too. Option B really isn't fair to the other Senators. Besides, the constitution alreadys allows a Deputy Senator to fill in when another is absent or inactive. This would be kind of, sort of the same thing, right...?
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maniacalmonkey

12/21/2006 3:01 PM

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Well, although "absence" was originally meant to cover situations where officials become temporarily unavailable (eg. vacation, connection problems, goldbricking), it could work in a pinch. Still, I'd like a stipulation whereby the Deputy can become a full Senator, so he can get a Deputy of his own. As this is probably not a very common thing to happen, how about a mechanism whereby a Deputy issues a request to become full Senator, for approval by the Court?
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HistoryDude

12/21/2006 4:07 PM

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That could work. :yes:
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mongoose201

12/22/2006 8:03 AM

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As this is probably not a very common thing to happen, how about a mechanism whereby a Deputy issues a request to become full Senator, for approval by the Court? Yes.. let's have confirmation hearings... I want nothing better than to loudly bang a gavel while yelling "The witness will answer the question!"
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von Clausewitz

1/17/2007 5:25 PM

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I like HD's concerns and MM's responses to the concerns. I think the key for the whole thing is the Articles of Law. It allows the Senate to 'fix' anything that this constitution does not specifically mention. It also gives the SC oversight to keep the Senate in check. So long as there is some manner of creativity in the Senate, or at least a benevolent citizen that can suggest to the Senate, then there should not be any obstacle that can't be overcome (short of insufficent participation). I don't think there is any overwelming opposition to this, other then the addition of the President needing Senate permission in the use of Great People and the mechanism for allowing a Deputy to be promoted to Senator in case of absences that are expected to be permanent (resignation or banning). Lets gauge the members intrest in getting things started, ratify the constitution, run some setting polls ect ect.
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mongoose201

1/24/2007 8:42 AM