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| Black Owl (1/25/2007)
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. . . Everyone here has had to apply to be here. They are aware of the risks. Yes Scipio. My "prowess" with words is generally lacking. I try hard not to get in a pissing contest with you as far as words go. So if you can say this any better. I'd sure be obliged! Mongoose. What can I say? Loved the use of imagery here. That horse is not DEAD! He's only napping!  I agree with you Black Owl. Long live freedom of expression ( . . . short of hate/bias/mongering, or incitations to violence . . .) |
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| | Ok ok, I was getting lost in here but I think that I found my path. LMAO> A few things that i have. 1. For the pics that have been shown in here. I think that it is a laughter thing. Like someone said a few long pages back.LMAO, if you can laugh then there is a problem ( many be not those exact words.)If you don't like the pics. then don't say anything because it just starts a argument. Most pics are for fun and you can laugh at them . 2. The slavery thing. Does anyone really know why some people had slaves? There are many reasons and one I haven't seen in a while is, that people who owned them just were lazy people with money who didn't want to get dirty. LOL. Yes, they had beautiful horses and other animals, beautiful house (that they themselves never cleaned) . But they abused their servant emotions, their body (by whipping them, staring them, or selling their family and splitting them up, or and lastly by taking the woman when she said no). Granted ,not all the people that owned slave where bad. but the ones that were made a bad name for the good ones. Just like people on welfare make it bad for the people that really need the help. All the proof you have to take with you just to get a little help no that you want to do it but sometime you have no choice because you have to feed the kids. 3. Now the nazi thing. It's not all the people that was bad. It was the start of one man with a mission. A little ugly jew himself, a mom's boy who after her death , he was belittled by his father. Yes, I know that it has always been around but until Hilter began his quest and his hatred for the jew's (he was a germany Jew himself) he had to get reed of them. Just think why he that a perfect germany was tall, blue eye, and blonde. He was non of those. He knew who the hire as Doctors and other high racking positions. But, what happened in France and in the camps and on the fields should have never happened. I know that today many people don't think that the Holocaust really happened. The sad and ugly truth is that it did. |
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| | Val your point about slavery is well made. But then the question is, can one make a difference in the system if they are disempowered relative to the system? Could Gandhi have made the reforms he made had he not gained training as a lawyer? If he did not have sufficient connections among the intelligentsia, and political leaders to actually get visibility? Idealistic missions like refusing to own slaves in the southern United States in 1770, or refusing to buy products or servces form the cheapest vendor because they do not provide decent health coverage to their employees are all well and good. But if your competitor who is fighting against your idealistic vision has no such reservations, and thus, outcompetes you economically, or in political power, and your mission subsequently fails, did you serve your mission as fully as you could have? Unfortunately making a difference, and spearheading reforms in a society always seems to necessitate a little bit of selling out  ADDIT: I'm not saying selling out is a universaly good thing, I'm just raising the point that it is a paradox. |
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| I think we must get this thread back on track. The issue is not Slavery, but rather what Slavery served as an example.
Assuming Slavery is vile, we would discuss Slavery on rather different terms than we would discuss, for example, a Republican on some Republican issues when taking the Democrat position.
I admit getting a bit irritated by Scipio's way of identifying MY position in this thread: namely one of promoting a debate in which we talk to each other in the most fore coming way. Apart from the fact that that is arguably not what I have been saying and anybody can read that in my posts, but ultimately it is entirely besides the point what I think, being a moderator or not. The whole point of this thread is to discuss the question of how conduct in this place should be so that we, all of us together, arrive at some sense of what is generally acceptable and what not.
And in that respect, the debate between a Republican and a Democrat on rather acceptable though debatable issues should serve as a much better example than a debate with an Advocate of Slavery or any unsavory disposition as we would enter the debate with some premeditated idea that no matter what the ideas of the Slaverer are, they are unacceptable any which way you take it. Or should we be able accept such a starting point?
I think we see it in the way Roadkill started the 'So...' thread:I see religion as a malevolent force in society, divisive and destructive. I also see people who are religious to be, well there's no other way to put this; stupid.
Now, I have to add, that he says more:Let me first be honest with you {previous quote} I will now tell you why I feel this way. And that sort of opens up the debatability (word?) at least at first sight. However, too many people have been scared away from that thread and too many worrying signs are coming from that thread that might indicate that something is not entirely going the way an optimal debate should go.
I would like to invite all of you the meta-issues from that debate, detach it from the subject and the persons involved, and discuss it in order to see if we can learn something here.
I especially would hope Roadkill to post here, since he has invested so much in his positioning, though has not voiced an opinion on this reason thread here at all. |
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