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Grognard fantôme
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| Okay RA, you want the thread to have some "debate" brought back into it!? Here are some topics for debate which is related to and facilitated by Black Owls posting of this thread under the title "Comedy in P&R:"Resolution: (note in most classic Lincoln Douglas debate formats, and many other formal debate formats, the "topic" for debate is formulated as a _resolution_ that typically involves some inherent _change_ in current practice, procedures, etc. [thus the salience of the whole "liberal, vs conservative" philosophical polarity]; I'm sure this is all quite familiar RA from your jurisprudential days, no? ) . . . okay, so . . . _RESOLUTION_: teaching little girls that they are morally obligated to cover themselves in order to be good and decent females should be recognized by the international community as a dehumanizing, exploitative, and abusive form of childhood socialization. |
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| Well now, what's tasteless varies from person to person, just as beauty does. Likewise, what one finds humorous, the next might not. Cleo, I can understand what you're saying and even agree with you to a small extent. However, I happen to find the pics funny. You said that it pokes fun at their culture... How does showing any of the pics in this thread poke fun at their culture? Do we make fun our own American/European/Asian cultures? Yes, we do. Why then should we not make fun of other cultures? Unless you're a propagandist (like Scip ), making fun of such things is not about power - it is about pointing out flaws, and getting a laugh out of it at the same time. The big question: what is the difference between posting this pic, and saying in words, "The Muslim community has a terrorist problem"? Those words (almost exactly, as a matter of fact) have been said before, on this very site, by LC. Did we all say that he shouldn't criticize Muslim culture? Nope. But now we're debating about a picture that says almost the exact same thing, except that it manages to make people laugh at the same time. When did laughing become a bad thing? We're veering too far to the pc side. If someone can find a pic that expresses what (s)he feels better than a written essay ever could, that member should not feel prohibited from posting that pic. Within site rules, of course. I feel that this whole discussion is rather pointless, really. Edit: After typing this, I sort of feel that it should go in the "On Reason" thread, but what the heck, I'll leave it here. |
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But the liberals should be careful of screaming too loud ... of conspiring too well ... of undermining us too thoroughly. Because if they succeed, if they do get what they insist they want, then the result may well be something they never conceived ... "They have made a desolation, and they call it peace." ~Tacitus~ ... but a peace controlled by our former enemies. --Tosk
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| psweetman1590 (1/23/2007) You said that it pokes fun at their culture... Well, I have no qualms about poking fun at terrorist culture. I don't see the picture as poking fun at Islamic culture, because nothing directly identifies those women as Muslim, they are only identified as terrorists. Technically, anyways....I for one have no qualms about poking fun at ANY culture! If you or your culture are so serious, fragile, or inviolable that you cannot weather a bit of poking by fun, then you and/or your culture probably are problematic if not dsyfunctional. Tons of Americans poke fun at America's liberal sexuality. It is the central theme in the tabloid industry!  Cartoons poking fun at American leaders, icons, and even historical figures analagous to prophets (e.g., George Washington, or Abe) are not only common, they are institutional! You can poke fun at me and my culture all you want! It builds character! Heck! Look at my frickin' avatar! I'm poking fun at my frickin' self!  If people take their holiness so seriously that they cannot laugh at themselves, then what the heck are they doing on the internet!? Shouldn't they be living out some neo-Luddite ban on electricity in some collective agrarian colony far from all taint of modern free-wheeling thinking?  |
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| | Free Speech is free speech. Or it is not. We are justly burdened with the responsibility to be sensitive as best we know to our fellow Humans. But in free speech it is our responsibility, not someone |
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