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1/22/2007 11:40 AM


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The artiest argues with picture posts ... the non tenured professor argues with "wall of text" posts ... the moderator argues with moderation ... I'll stop there ... before I get in trouble.

I personally find them all fun, but I can empathize with those timid soles who find themselves offended.

Offense is normally caused by lack of knowledge and a closed minded attitude on a subject.

"Never be offended by a person better informed than you ... it ain't their fault.
1/22/2007 5:21 PM


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Okay RA, you want the thread to have some "debate" brought back into it!? Here are some topics for debate which is related to and facilitated by Black Owls posting of this thread under the title "Comedy in P&R:"

Resolution: (note in most classic Lincoln Douglas debate formats, and many other formal debate formats, the "topic" for debate is formulated as a _resolution_ that typically involves some inherent _change_ in current practice, procedures, etc. [thus the salience of the whole "liberal, vs conservative" philosophical polarity]; I'm sure this is all quite familiar RA from your jurisprudential days, no? ) . . . okay, so  . . .

_RESOLUTION_: teaching little girls that they are morally obligated to cover themselves in order to be good and decent females should be recognized by the international community as a dehumanizing, exploitative, and abusive form of childhood socialization.

1/22/2007 6:28 PM


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I think what it boils down to is that just because this is P&R doesn't mean we should post tasteless jokes or pictures, even if they are political in nature. Poking fun at someone's culture isn't funny to me tbh. I'm not offended by the pictures, I just don't find them to be humorous.
1/23/2007 7:14 AM


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But then again and with all respect Cleo.  That is a personal dislike.  It does not make this form of discussion invalid.  We are supposed to be adults right?  This isn't an elementary school.  If you can't discuss a point thru satire.  As was stated to me, don't go there.  This is a completely ridiculous discusion now in the mind of a free thinker.  You gotta take the personal out of it JUST AS YOU DO WITH TEXT!  This notion that is somehow a bigger "boogeyman" then text discussion is way off base and the whole thing is way out of line.  More so then the satire being discussed.
1/23/2007 9:38 PM


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cleopatra143 (1/22/2007)
I think what it boils down to is that just because this is P&R doesn't mean we should post tasteless jokes or pictures, even if they are political in nature. Poking fun at someone's culture isn't funny to me tbh. I'm not offended by the pictures, I just don't find them to be humorous.

When a culture is "sick," promotes injustice, and needs to be reformed, poking fun at it may be one way to weaken its will to resist treatment.

1/23/2007 9:47 PM


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Scipio Africanus (1/23/2007)
cleopatra143 (1/22/2007)
I think what it boils down to is that just because this is P&R doesn't mean we should post tasteless jokes or pictures, even if they are political in nature. Poking fun at someone's culture isn't funny to me tbh. I'm not offended by the pictures, I just don't find them to be humorous.


When a culture is "sick," promotes injustice, and needs to be reformed, poking fun at it may be one way to weaken its will to resist treatment.
Most of them feel our culture is sick because we let women parade around naked on television and exploit them sexually. I don't see a real difference tbh. I'm sure I could find "sick" things in every culture around the globe but that doesn't mean I'm right to poke fun at them. "Satire" is rude, plain and simple. You can discuss an issue without using something that is visually offensive to someone. I guess there is no such thing as good manners anymore.
1/23/2007 10:06 PM


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Well now, what's tasteless varies from person to person, just as beauty does.  Likewise, what one finds humorous, the next might not.  Cleo, I can understand what you're saying and even agree with you to a small extent.  However, I happen to find the pics funny.  

You said that it pokes fun at their culture...  How does showing any of the pics in this thread poke fun at their culture? 

Do we make fun our own American/European/Asian cultures?  Yes, we do.  Why then should we not make fun of other cultures?  Unless you're a propagandist (like Scip ), making fun of such things is not about power - it is about pointing out flaws, and getting a laugh out of it at the same time.

The big question:  what is the difference between posting this pic, and saying in words, "The Muslim community has a terrorist problem"?  Those words (almost exactly, as a matter of fact) have been said before, on this very site, by LC.  Did we all say that he shouldn't criticize Muslim culture?  Nope.  But now we're debating about a picture that says almost the exact same thing, except that it manages to make people laugh at the same time.  When did laughing become a bad thing?

We're veering too far to the pc side.  If someone can find a pic that expresses what (s)he feels better than a written essay ever could, that member should not feel prohibited from posting that pic.  Within site rules, of course.  I feel that this whole discussion is rather pointless, really.

Edit: After typing this, I sort of feel that it should go in the "On Reason" thread, but what the heck, I'll leave it here.

1/23/2007 10:14 PM


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psweetman1590 (1/23/2007)
You said that it pokes fun at their culture...  Well, I have no qualms about poking fun at terrorist culture.  I don't see the picture as poking fun at Islamic culture, because nothing directly identifies those women as Muslim, they are only identified as terrorists.  Technically, anyways....

I for one have no qualms about poking fun at ANY culture! If you or your culture are so serious, fragile, or inviolable that you cannot weather a bit of poking by fun, then you and/or your culture probably are problematic if not dsyfunctional.

Tons of Americans poke fun at America's liberal sexuality.  It is the central theme in the tabloid industry!

Cartoons poking fun at American leaders, icons, and even historical figures analagous to prophets (e.g., George Washington, or Abe) are not only common, they are institutional! You can poke fun at me and my culture all you want! It builds character! Heck! Look at my frickin' avatar! I'm poking fun at my frickin' self!

If people take their holiness so seriously that they cannot laugh at themselves, then what the heck are they doing on the internet!? Shouldn't they be living out some neo-Luddite ban on electricity in some collective agrarian colony far from all taint of modern free-wheeling thinking?

1/24/2007 7:14 AM


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Free Speech is free speech.  Or it is not.  We are justly burdened with the responsibility to be sensitive as best we know to our fellow Humans.  But in free speech it is our responsibility, not someone