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| | There has been some discussion about how the Senate elections will be handled. I think this is a good time/place to make sure we are on the same page. First, we will probably campaign/elect the President before we begin the process with the Senate. This is because we are very early in the process, and with fewer people it allows whoever doesn't get elected President to run for Senate if that is their desire. Second, my idea for the Senate elections is as follows: If there are five people campaigning, they will run unopposed (other than abstain) in their own Senatorial election. If a 6th (or 7th, 8th) enters the campaign, I will put the first five names in a hat/bowl and draw. The name that I draw now has someone to run against. With the 7th person campaigning, it would only be the 4 remaining unopposed that would be subject to the draw, etc, etc. If anyone has any other ideas, start trying to convince me now. The newly elected judges will also be involved in this process. |
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| An unexpectedly spiky issue, this one. Let's review our options.
1. Candidates run for Senator - in this option, all candidates are listed in a single poll, and the top 5 are made Senator. The problem that has been raised with this one is due to the fairly low number of Citizens the DGame has at this moment - we may end up with only two or three Senators actually getting votes. If that should happen, there should be "tie breaker" elections for the other candidates, which prolongs the process. In my opinion, however, this is the most democratic system.
2. Candidates run randomly opposed - as suggested by Mongoose, if there are more than 5 candidates, some may be paired as opponents by random draw. This, however, means that two popular candidates may find themselves opposed to each other, so only one of them will make it to the Senate, whereas an impopular candidate might get a seat by default. I feel that this undermines the influence of the People, and hence the democratic aspect of Senate elections.
3. Candidates run for specific seats - this would necessitate five polls (one for each seat) with candidates allowed to run for only one of them. The problem here is that it makes the time at which a candidate announces his intention a factor. Getting in early allows you to go for an unopposed seat - getting in late allows you to pick your opponent. Again, this introduces a factor other than popular support to the equation, undermining the direct influence of the People.
4. Candidates run as parties - in this system, candidates are required to form parties. People then vote for parties and seats are divided accordingly. The problem here is that it forces a party system upon the Community, unless candidates run as one-man parties in which case this is really no different from option 1. Also, with only five seats to distribute, we may very quickly run into ties and such.
A couple of notes:
- I think that democratic elections should be focussed on getting the most popular candidates into the Senate, based on citizen votes. Introducing any other factor (like chance, or timing) into the process, in my opinion, undermines this and should be avoided if possible.
- This decision is ultimately for the Supreme Court to make, as they are the ones required to organize and oversee the election. |
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| maniacalmonkey (3/10/2007)
An unexpectedly spiky issue, this one. Let's review our options. 1. Candidates run for Senator - prolongs the process. In my opinion, however, this is the most democratic system. I agree on first clause, but disagree on second. See below 2. Candidates run randomly opposed - . . . I feel that this undermines the influence of the People, and hence the democratic aspect of Senate elections. I agree. 3. Candidates run for specific seats - this would necessitate five polls (one for each seat) with candidates allowed to run for only one of them. The problem here is that it makes the time at which a candidate announces his intention a factor. Getting in early allows you to go for an unopposed seat - getting in late allows you to pick your opponent. Again, this introduces a factor other than popular support to the equation, undermining the direct influence of the People. This is the closest to what I think would work best, but see below. 4. Candidates run as parties - . . . with only five seats to distribute, we may very quickly run into ties and such. Agreed, this adds complications that are unnecessary. - I think that democratic elections should be focussed on getting the most popular candidates into the Senate, based on citizen votes. Introducing any other factor (like chance, or timing) into the process, in my opinion, undermines this and should be avoided if possible. I agree.
5. Vote for Composition - The problem here is one of scale - I agree. 6. Vote for Composition by PM Ballot - . . .creating a significant risk of fraud, whether deliberate or accidental. Agreed
There are two other possible solutions. One of which would be quite laborious and time consuming. One of which would be much quicker and easier, but might be a bit more hard on the feelings of candidates? (7) Have a poll for each Senate seat, sequentially. Seat one is open for 48 or 72 hours with all candidates listed as possible Senators. Everyone gets a chance to cast ONE vote in this poll until it is closed down, and the winner of Senate seat one is determined. Next, the poll for Senate seat two is opened, and every eligible canddiate, except the winner of seat one is listed as a candidate. Same procedure. Repeat ad infinitum. I realize that with Senate seats reopening every few turns, this one would be prohibitively laborious. (8) Have one poll for each candidate with one tick box in the poll; basically a confidence/no-confidence poll. Basically, casting a vote for a candidate in this format simply equates with casting a vote that you think they are worthy of a Senate seat, not any specific seat. Anyone in the DGame can "vote" for any of the candidates, but obviously can only vote once for each candidate. Every candidate's poll opens up at the same time, and is open for the same period of time (72 hours or whatever). Once time has elapsed, the total number of votes each candidate has received are examined. Those who got the highest number win the seats. If there are intended to be specific representational constituencies of some sort, then the winner of the largest fraction of confidence votes gets allocated the seat that has the largest constituency, the next most "popular" gets the next biggest seat and so on. The problems that option (8) might present is that, it is possible that (a) everyone in the DGame will vote for every candidate, and there will then be too many winners, or (b) only a couple of candidates will get any votes! and thus, only a few of the seats will be filled by representation. However, note that, both of these "quandries" woudl represent the most "democratic" outcomes in that, the quandries would reflect the will of the people. This is not an uncommon problem in realworld democracies (witness historic American voter turnout below 50%). Also, who cares if everyone who wants to run for Senate wins? Is it really necessary that it be limited to only 5 or 7 seats? (however many it is). If 9 candidates want to run, and all nine get 100% support from the electorate, then why not simply have NINE SEATS!?  The solution to both of these quandries would be that the Supreme Court solves them. If (a), the Supreme Court could simple roll a dice and randomly exclude candidates through elimination, else decide based on their own expert opinions who is most meritorious. If a tie-breaker is needed, the President could provide the third vote in this. If (b), the Senate likewise can either randomly or democratically choose among the remaining candidates who got zero votes. |
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