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3/10/2007 5:39 PM


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1. Candidates run for Senator

Nearly impossible to get 5 Senators elected by a majority on the first ballot this way. What we will end up having is #7 (see below).

2. Candidates run randomly opposed

It could put the two most popular candidates against each other while letting the least popular candidate slide into a position unopposed.

3. Candidates run for specific seats

Announcing a campaign becomes a strategy as the timing becomes a factor.

4. Candidates run as parties

The only way that it works is if the winning party has 5 candidates, other wise we have as many or more run off polls then any other option. Anyone think voting in a single party is a good thing?

5. Vote for Composition

The only way to get the 5 most popular candidates into the Senate on the first ballot. It has the highest possibility for voter confusion. The poll options would start at 6 for 6 candidates and increase exponentially from there.

6. Vote for Composition by PM Ballot

This should not even be an option. I would prefer any other option ahead of this. Voting by PM removes all concept of the anonymous secret ballot.

7. Have a poll for each Senate seat, sequentially.

At 72 hours per poll, excluding weekends, we are looking at 3 weeks. The good side is that we get the most popular candidates.

8. Have one poll for each candidate with one tick box in the poll; basically a confidence/no-confidence poll.

The 'thumbs up/thumbs down' for each candidate works ideally if each voter only gives a thumbs up to 5 candidates. That is difficult to enforce. The voter census thread is useful for enforcement but can reduce the concept of the anonymous secret ballot for the first few voters.

My priorities for the election would be (1) fair elections (2) anonymous voting (3) getting it done on the first ballot (4) getting the most popular candidates into office. My intent with these priorities is that the voters and citizens are most important and there should be no action that would lead to alienation of the voters. Respect to the candidates needs to be considered but shouldn't be done to the detriment of the voters.

3/10/2007 11:35 PM


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I'd agree except I'd prioritize it (1), (3), (2), (4).  That's almost irrelevant though since I'm not too keen on the PM voting either.  So which of the above options would you favor the most Your Honor? 
3/10/2007 11:52 PM


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It depends on the number of candidates. I like one if there are 6 candidates but not more then that, and there are two others that could work if there are more then that.
3/11/2007 12:08 AM


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1. Candidates run for Senator - in this option, all candidates are listed in a single poll, and the top 5 are made Senator. The problem that has been raised with this one is due to the fairly low number of Citizens the DGame has at this moment - we may end up with only two or three Senators actually getting votes. If that should happen, there should be "tie breaker" elections for the other candidates, which prolongs the process. In my opinion, however, this is the most democratic system.

This discussion is silly. The poll outcome is plain for all to see, so if Senators 2, 4, and 7 have a clear majority I'm not going to vote for any of them, am I? I'll vote for another candidate entirely...
3/11/2007 3:14 AM


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You can look at the poll results before you vote?

That should not be allowed. I like that option even less than Honourable Judge vonClausewitz likes the voting by PM option...

If possible, the option to view poll results before voting should be disabled.
3/11/2007 9:49 AM


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Are most members here not part of Civilized anyway? If not, then it's not hard to register. I know holding the elections on another site is not ideal, but at least the poll is easy to set up and can be done in the fairest way, even nulling your vote if you look at the results before you vote. Also, one of the Judges is an admin over there and would easily spot foul play (not that I believe anyone here would). It would be easy enough to set up a seperate forum to hold all polls such as this.
3/11/2007 1:15 PM


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Geez, maybe the whole thing should be renamed and moved over then...

As long as the results are visible to anyone you can consider them visible to all, with all the pm-ing that's going on. Just consider it the equivalent to exit polls.
3/11/2007 1:32 PM


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It is a presumption that there will be a lot of PMing going around. It's been my experience that there isn't in D-game polls, any limited discussion about the results tend to be limited to the political parties.

I still don't like the idea of being able to see the results of the election before you vote.

Zone, you know I'm quite keen to your idea of offsite polling, but hell, I suggested that when we were having problems at Civilized. And it still baffles me to this day why it is so much of a hassle to click on a different link and do the polling. Some things I will never understand.
3/11/2007 2:29 PM
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Not that I'm against implementing that idea (if it was wanted).. it's just I could see why some would resent the idea. Its like employees at one office, having to go next door to another office, to use their printer. PM ballots are unpopular, honor codes are ever more vulnerable to manipulation then the PM ballots... and I'm just going to say I like option 3 in VonC's post here and in the Supreme Court.

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