1. Dissolve and disband the position of Vice Presidency

2. Force current Senate Princep psweetman1590 to vacate the position and assume a regular Senate position

3. Hold elections immediately to determine the new Senate Princep

4. Delegate responsibility of determining the Princep's new duties to the Supreme Court

The proposal is as-is and a vote on all sections of it would be appreciated; however, any suggestions would be lovely. Thank you.

G

Ahh... something to get my teeth into...

1.) Poor Zig, what's he done to deserve this?... I'm assuming this is part of the propose re-work of the Princep position?

2.) I think Psweet was willing to stand down. There's only 15 (?) turns til the next senate election, so that might be moot, depending on how quickly Mongoose plays the turns.

3.) Yep that's do-able, if Psweet stands down.

4.) Err... think that would need a bi-partisan discussion between the Senate and SC, then put to the people to vote, given this would be a change to the constitution.

Cheers

Comedy Dave (6/25/2007)

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Greetings Justices

Ahh... something to get my teeth into...

1.) Poor Zig, what's he done to deserve this?... I'm assuming this is part of the propose re-work of the Princep position?

2.) I think Psweet was willing to stand down. There's only 15 (?) turns til the next senate election, so that might be moot, depending on how quickly Mongoose plays the turns.

3.) Yep that's do-able, if Psweet stands down.

4.) Err... think that would need a bi-partisan discussion between the Senate and SC, then put to the people to vote, given this would be a change to the constitution.

Cheers

1. You got it.

2. That's his--well now the Senate's decision. If he doesn't like the proposal I suppose he could vote Nay, but I assure you it's nothing sinister. Just procedural stuff. Probably.

3. kk, whatever's easier

4. Will you presume to tell the Courts what is lawfully necessary for a passage of a law? There will be a Supreme Court ruling on the new Princeps duties shortly, even if this Bill does not pass. A change to the Constitution is not necessary, I spent some time yesterday with TORA figuring it all out.

I'd like to know why before voting on this.  Does this mean that you intend to get rid of the position entirely, or that you're just kicking Zig out?  If the former...

I'm afraid that requires an ammendment.

Indeed, I'm willing to step down.  I approve this part.  I'd like a reason why on this point as well, however.  Is it just because I don't own Warlords, or have I done something wrong (or failed to do something)?  It seems that you justices are starting to take a strong arm approach to things.  Not that I disapprove, but I want to know why before I surrender this big luxurious chair that I bought with my exorbitant salary...

I'm sure CD would win handily.  He'd have my vote.

Not to be annoyingly semantic on purpose, but the way this is worded means that you're going to select someone to determine the princep's new duties to the Supreme Court.  Did you want it to mean that? 

In any case, I'm very suspicious of this one.  Binding the Princeps to the Supreme Court by making the the former have duties to the latter?  Sounds like a breach of the principles of separation of power.  Perhaps if you could give me an idea of what these new responsibilities might be, I'd come around?

And, of course, adding duties to the Princeps would either neccesitate a law passed by the Senate itself, or a constitutional ammendment.  So, the new duties you have in mind are bound to come up eventually.

Final verdict:  Nay.  I'm too suspicious of the last one, and you have given no reason for any of these points (although number 3 is obvious).  Why are Zig and I being ousted?  Why does the Princeps need to have duties to the Supreme Court?  I want these answered before I vote in favor of this law.

In the mean time, I shall resign from the position of Princeps on my own, and nominate CD as my successor.  That alone will force you to change the text of this law, and I hope the opportunity will lead you to consider my request for more info.

I'll have you reminded that I am a fully trained and liscensed assasin.  You half-threaten me at your own risk...

Good day to you, your honors.

Psweet
Ex-Princeps

That just means no Senator spot for me next Senate Session as I think I'll sit on the Bench a while longer with TORA. Nothing sinister.

Maybe.

Will you presume to tell the Courts what is lawfully necessary for a passage of a law?

Of course... just doing my job...

As PSweet mentioned, you'd still need the Senate to ratify that into an Article of Law, if you really wanted to make it official. Changing the Princeps position too much would require a constitutional change, as would removing the VP, so the people need to get involved too.