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Mr. G

6/26/2007 6:41 PM

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Comedy Dave

6/27/2007 12:57 AM

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I'm still not convinced... For a start, the Supreme Court should not and cannot dictate the duties of the Princep. They can make recommendations, but without a constitutional amendment, these do not need to be followed. Anyway, before we can even talk of votes we need the Supreme Court to outline FULLY what they propose to do with the positions - this needs to include reasons WHY and what the benefits of this change will be, compared to the current system.
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Scipio Africanus

6/27/2007 9:14 AM

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As a former Senator and concerned undead citizen, I agree with Comedy Dave.
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TORARADICAL

6/27/2007 1:03 PM

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Comedy Dave (6/27/2007) I'm still not convinced... For a start, the Supreme Court should not and cannot dictate the duties of the Princep. They can make recommendations, but without a constitutional amendment, these do not need to be followed. Anyway, before we can even talk of votes we need the Supreme Court to outline FULLY what they propose to do with the positions - this needs to include reasons WHY and what the benefits of this change will be, compared to the current system. As the Court writes the laws, and the has them approved by the people, they sort of can And yes I agree on the 2nd part, but we wanted to see how much support the main idea itself would have before we went that far. We're supposed to have a meeting later today to determine it to the letter, so expect a post from one of us concerning that tonight.
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psweetman1590

6/27/2007 5:23 PM

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As the Court writes the laws, and the has them approved by the people, they sort of can On the contrary, the Court does not write laws. That's up to us. You can issue rulings, but aside from rulings on the nature of the Constitution that currently exists, you have no real power. We do not need to follow your rulings. Sorry be blunt, but that's how it is.
-- Emulator of Otto von Bismarck, Master of realpolitik, May he rest in peace. But the liberals should be careful of screaming too loud ... of conspiring too well ... of undermining us too thoroughly. Because if they succeed, if they do get what they insist they want, then the result may well be something they never conceived ... "They have made a desolation, and they call it peace." ~Tacitus~ ... but a peace controlled by our former enemies. --Tosk

TORARADICAL

6/27/2007 5:32 PM

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psweetman1590 (6/27/2007) As the Court writes the laws, and the has them approved by the people, they sort of can On the contrary, the Court does not write laws. That's up to us. You can issue rulings, but aside from rulings on the nature of the Constitution that currently exists, you have no real power. We do not need to follow your rulings. Sorry be blunt, but that's how it is. Find me where it says that The Supreme Court does not write the laws.
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psweetman1590

6/27/2007 5:38 PM

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Find me where it says I can't overrule the president on my own. It doesn't, does it.... The Senate is responsible for passing laws. That IS in the Constitution. 5. The Senate may, by quorum vote: - Disband the office of the Presidency. - Disband the Senate. - Dismiss a Supreme Justiuce. - Alter the Articles of Law. Kindly note that it also says we can dismiss you, so I'd be on my best behavior, were I you. Let's not have any more "misinterpretations" of the Constitution please. Don't give yourself powers that aren't yours de jure.
-- Emulator of Otto von Bismarck, Master of realpolitik, May he rest in peace. But the liberals should be careful of screaming too loud ... of conspiring too well ... of undermining us too thoroughly. Because if they succeed, if they do get what they insist they want, then the result may well be something they never conceived ... "They have made a desolation, and they call it peace." ~Tacitus~ ... but a peace controlled by our former enemies. --Tosk

TORARADICAL

6/27/2007 5:49 PM

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psweetman1590 (6/27/2007) Find me where it says I can't overrule the president on my own. It doesn't, does it.... The Senate is responsible for passing laws. That IS in the Constitution. 5. The Senate may, by quorum vote: - Disband the office of the Presidency. - Disband the Senate. - Dismiss a Supreme Justiuce. - Alter the Articles of Law. Kindly note that it also says we can dismiss you, so I'd be on my best behavior, were I you. Let's not have any more "misinterpretations" of the Constitution please. Don't give yourself powers that aren't yours de jure. Alter not write. By the letter of the law, no one has the right to write the laws. Yet we've already had 4 ammendments. The Court of this term has taken a very active role and is therefore writing new laws for approval by the people.
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psweetman1590

6/27/2007 5:54 PM

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You can propose and approve ammendments which must be voted upon by the people, certainly. Writing (which is a form of alteration, I'll have you know, as it adds more to what already existed) laws is reserved for the Senate. Try to write a law yourself, it won't have any force. Try to force it on us anyhow, and we'll vote you out of office. Now, can we kindly stick to the Constitution, please?
-- Emulator of Otto von Bismarck, Master of realpolitik, May he rest in peace. But the liberals should be careful of screaming too loud ... of conspiring too well ... of undermining us too thoroughly. Because if they succeed, if they do get what they insist they want, then the result may well be something they never conceived ... "They have made a desolation, and they call it peace." ~Tacitus~ ... but a peace controlled by our former enemies. --Tosk