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6/27/2007 6:38 PM


sweetP

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I am afraid of the Court attempting to usurp the rightful duties of the Senate.  As, I must confess, it does appear that you might be trying to do. 

I'm simply trying to set you straight about who can and can't write laws, as you seem adamant about doing so. 

6/27/2007 8:12 PM


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psweetman1590 (6/27/2007)
I am afraid of the Court attempting to usurp the rightful duties of the Senate. As, I must confess, it does appear that you might be trying to do.

I'm simply trying to set you straight about who can and can't write laws, as you seem adamant about doing so.

How has The Court done so?
You've yet to show in any way that anything we The Court have done is against the spirit or letter of any law.
You have only threatened to remove The Court for being proactive.

Once again I ask you to look at the last point of IV 6 in the Constitution.
6/27/2007 8:26 PM


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How has The Court done so?

It has not.  Yet.  By trying to write Laws (which is the domain of the Senate) and attempting to tie the Princeps to the Supreme Court, you would be, should these things come to pass.

You've yet to show in any way that anything we The Court have done is against the spirit or letter of any law.

I have.  Altering the Articles of Law is the job of the Senate, not the Court.

You have only threatened to remove The Court for being proactive.

Correction: I have threatened to remove the Court for infringing on the duties of the Senate.  Which the Senate has every right - nay, duty - to do.  That's why the clause about our being able to dismiss a Justice is there.

Once again I ask you to look at the last point of IV 6 in the Constitution.

You mean this one?

Present to the People proposals for alteration of the Articles of Constitution.

Note it says that you may present proposals for the constitution.  It says nothing about you making them.  Furthermore, the Articles of Law are seperate from the Constitution, and so you still can't do a thing about those, except strike them down if they are unconstitutional. 

Have I answered all of your points satisfactorily?  I'm trying very hard to remain civil, but it does seem to me that you're trying to twist my words to make it sound like I'm either not reading the Constitution properly (I'm quite sure its you who's not reading it properly) or that I'm against the Court acting with presence (I'm not.  I'm in favor of people who want to make a difference through their job.). 

6/27/2007 8:41 PM


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psweetman1590 (6/27/2007)
How has The Court done so?


It has not. Yet. By trying to write Laws (which is the domain of the Senate) and attempting to tie the Princeps to the Supreme Court, you would be, should these things come to pass.
A) You know fully well that I mean the Articles of The Constitution as it is really the only law, and as it says
ARTICLE V: LEGISLATURE

1. These Articles of Constitution shall be the supreme law of the Community; no other body of legislature shall supercede it.

B) We've been over the Princeps before, and how you misread that. I explained it at which time you commented
Sounds fine to me then. Change my vote to Aye.


You've yet to show in any way that anything we The Court have done is against the spirit or letter of any law.


I have. Altering the Articles of Law is the job of the Senate, not the Court.
C) Please see above point A.

You have only threatened to remove The Court for being proactive.


Correction:I have threatened to remove the Court for infringing on the duties of the Senate. Which the Senate has every right - nay, duty - to do. That's why the clause about our being able to dismiss a Justice is there.
D) You make threats which have no cause, as The Court has not come near infringing on any other bodies duties.

Once again I ask you to look at the last point of IV 6 in the Constitution.


You mean this one?

Present to the People proposals for alteration of the Articles of Constitution.


Note it says that you may present proposals for the constitution. It says nothing about you making them.
E) How does one present a proposal, if said proposal is not made?

Furthermore, the Articles of Law are seperate from the Constitution, and so you still can't do a thing about those, except strike them down if they are unconstitutional.
F) Please see points C and A again.

Have I answered all of your points satisfactorily?
G) No, please see points A-F

I'm trying very hard to remain civil, but it does seem to me that you're trying to twist my words to make it sound like I'm either not reading the Constitution properly (I'm quite sure its you who's not reading it properly) or that I'm against the Court acting with presence (I'm not. I'm in favor of people who want to make a difference through their job.).
H) Hardly, I have not at all, except for in your mind apparently. And if you are in favour of it, then support it don't do everything you can come up with to try and derail it.
6/28/2007 12:39 AM


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Darn, I don't have the time at this exact moment to quote and respond to points.

I'd have to agree with PSweet - the role of the Supreme Court is not to make laws, or alter the constitution without popular vote. The Senate approved articles of law which work in conjunction with the Constitution, although the constitution is the higher level of authority.

Show me your proposals, and then we can have a discussion.

I'll be back later to write a better response.

6/28/2007 2:00 AM


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Comedy Dave (6/28/2007)
Darn, I don't have the time at this exact moment to quote and respond to points.

I'd have to agree with PSweet - the role of the Supreme Court is not to make laws, or alter the constitution without popular vote. The Senate approved articles of law which work in conjunction with the Constitution, although the constitution is the higher level of authority.

Show me your proposals, and then we can have a discussion.

I'll be back later to write a better response.


We've said all along that this is a proposal which we hope to soon put to a vote.
We have never said or suggested doing it withoot a vote.
6/28/2007 8:37 AM


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We've said all along that this is a proposal which we hope to soon put to a vote.
We have never said or suggested doing it withoot a vote.

Apologies for my quick response earlier, I did not mean to imply you were going to make changes without holding votes, sorry if you took it that way. I was just trying to state where various responsibilities lie, and had literally 2 mins to try and think of and write a response.

To avoid this degenerating into picking over points, I think the best route forward is for the Justices to get together a draft of their proposals, so that the senate and citizenry can take a look and discuss with you as appropriate. In the meantime, let's get on with the game, there is nothing I can see holding us up there.

6/28/2007 12:43 PM


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Comedy Dave (6/28/2007)
We've said all along that this is a proposal which we hope to soon put to a vote.
We have never said or suggested doing it withoot a vote.


Apologies for my quick response earlier, I did not mean to imply you were going to make changes without holding votes, sorry if you took it that way. I was just trying to state where various responsibilities lie, and had literally 2 mins to try and think of and write a response.

To avoid this degenerating into picking over points, Ithink the best route forward is for the Justices to get together a draft of their proposals, so that the senate and citizenry can take a look and discuss with you as appropriate. In the meantime, let's get on with the game, there is nothing I can see holding us up there.

I said this once before, but I'm sure twas lost in the clutter. Mr. G and I are working on finalizing the official proposal. Once we are happy with it, it will appear for voting.
6/28/2007 8:24 PM


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