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Mr. G

7/20/2007 12:38 PM

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I think it's funny, and I'm just wondering why I wasn't included somewhere. Hats off to swordsy for the political cartoon! Maybe he could work for the Bismarckian Times or something
-- I will shine on, for everyone. --Jet Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --George Santanyana

jerm

7/20/2007 12:50 PM

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At least he got Psweet's size correct
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

swordinthestorm

7/20/2007 1:58 PM

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Sorry jerm. i didnt mean to offend you, it is intended as some light hearted political satire, something which i felt was missing from the whole process. May i add i thought you'd like it seeing as your comment inspired me jerm (7/19/2007) If the impeachment story line isn't funny, I don't know what is! really i didnt mean to offend any off you. i really didnt see the grave implications. But i had an hour to kill in work and only really saw the humour behind it. As for tora giving me candy, that really isnt the case i just thought to try and lighten the mood, not darken it. (plus you try and get a face from Tora's avatar theres like 10 of then on there) I intend to do more satire seeing as its absent but i shall not bring white hoods into it again. Although some could claim that suppressing the press is suppressing the people. Democracy?
-- Disgraced Deputy Senator, House of Warmax, (3rd Term) Edited: 7/20/2007 2:04 PM by swordinthestorm

jerm

7/20/2007 2:23 PM

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Apology accepted.
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences Edited: 7/20/2007 2:23 PM by jerm

swordinthestorm

7/20/2007 2:27 PM

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Thats brilliant. i am humbled. truely. did you draw that. its really good. i have no artistic ability myself and feel kind of embarresd now.
-- Disgraced Deputy Senator, House of Warmax, (3rd Term) Edited: 7/20/2007 2:39 PM by swordinthestorm

Mr. G

7/20/2007 2:56 PM

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I'm going to be frank with you guys. Re-opening the thread was merely a gesture to the Senate. TORA was well within his bounds as a Supreme Court Justice to close this thread, as it was unofficial and came before any indication from the Courts that the Princeps Campaign season was open. On a more personal note, I must say that this whole Community is slightly resistant to change and semi-radicalism. Not everyone thinks that the current set-up is "good" for everyone. I was of the opinion that the Senate should (and already is) the most powerful entity of the Government. Through my musings on the Princeps and Vice Presidency I had thought I had found a way to give that particular position even more power by allowing him the tie-breaking vote in any situation. Perhaps that was a bad idea, but it would certainly make the position desirable to someone who would be interested in having a lot of responsibility. Perhaps. I'll have more to say later, don't you worry. I'm not leaving the bench until at least the next elections.
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Bismarck2990

7/20/2007 3:24 PM

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Re-opening the thread was merely a gesture to the Senate. TORA was well within his bounds as a Supreme Court Justice to close this thread, as it was unofficial and came before any indication from the Courts that the Princeps Campaign season was open. Here's where we disagree. Nowhere is it indicated that the Supreme Court can control unofficial open discussion regarding the Princep, as it only holds power to run the poll that actually elects the Princep. Arguing that TORA was within his bounds, is basically saying the Supreme Court can regulate unofficial discussion and open such only on its own terms. Being the person I am, when someone else attempts to control my conversations/postings, I'm inclined to react in the way I have.
-- -Of course we must all fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more… and that is the indifference of good men. Edited: 7/20/2007 3:32 PM by Bismarck2990

jerm

7/20/2007 3:47 PM

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I'm going to be frank with you guys. Re-opening the thread was merely a gesture to the Senate. TORA was well within his bounds as a Supreme Court Justice to close this thread, as it was unofficial and came before any indication from the Courts that the Princeps Campaign season was open.

IMPEACH JUDGE G!!!!.... just kidding. w00t

If he hadn't used Article IV.6.-(3) as justification, I'd agree you could come to that conclusion. Let's review once again what that is:

6. The Supreme Court may, by vote of simple majority:
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- Inflict upon individual member of the People such punishments as are necessary and proper for proven infractions against the Articles of Constitution or the Articles of Law, up to and including withdrawal of privileges granted by these Articles of Constitution.

If he had just said, look, let's not start this until princeps elections are under way so I'm going to close this thread until such time, that would have been fine, and while I'm sure Bis would have protested, there would not be grounds for impeachment. Instead he specifically stated that closing the thread was a punishment, not for starting the thread, but for speaking in a negative way against the court. And he did so without getting a majority vote from the court, and while you may have been absent, you had not been disbanded from office so therefore, he needed your vote to inflict such "punishment." What do you disagree with in the above paragraph?

Let me state my position again, which I think is similar to the senator I serve as deputy under, Comedy Dave. I don't think TORA should be impeached, even though, I believe, there is a case for his impeachment. If he will come back (been gone for a couple days it seems), I'd be fine with allowing him to do his duties but he should be forewarned of stunts like these in the future. I do not believe he meant to go against the constitution, but once called on it, he should have just swallowed his pride and reopened the thread with a small apology. If he doesn't come back, well, I guess we'll need another SC judge.

On a more personal note, I must say that this whole Community is slightly resistant to change and semi-radicalism. Not everyone thinks that the current set-up is "good" for everyone. I was of the opinion that the Senate should (and already is) the most powerful entity of the Government. Through my musings on the Princeps and Vice Presidency I had thought I had found a way to give that particular position even more power by allowing him the tie-breaking vote in any situation. Perhaps that was a bad idea, but it would certainly make the position desirable to someone who would be interested in having a lot of responsibility. Perhaps.

I understand your point and actually several of your suggestions are now the law of the land... er uh, boards. I believe that this system is very flawed as well. That said, if someone puts forth an idea that I don't think will make it better, I'm not going to support it. Perhaps we could have a thread where we discuss changes that may need to be made and decide upon ammendments after discussion.

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-A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson

-There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel

-They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin

Consequences