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Should we go to war with france (unofficial)?...
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vs france
 
18.18%
2
no war
 
81.82%
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8/16/2007 11:23 PM


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There are more than a few differences ... in fact there are more than quite a few differences.

I for one would like to see the whole thing restarted as BTS. cIV and Warlords were both just to weak from the get go to draw any real support.
8/17/2007 10:36 AM


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I for one would like to see the whole thing restarted as BTS.

I have to agree, but only for selfish reasons I'm afraid because BTS is the only version that I can get working. You'd all have to pour a lot of time and effort down the drain of course but, looking deep into the crystal ball, which of you really thinks this Warlords Dgame is actually going to finish this side of 2010, if ever?

8/17/2007 12:14 PM


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but france is the largest nation close to us, am i correct? but the aztecs are a nation away, and i believe them to be a minor threat. but in the long run, france WILL become an aggressor and pretty soon will settle on our continent. we need to build a city on the east coast anyway, right? so we should start an armada and a new city on the east coast. and in the future, it would be an advantage to have more cities, maybe not immediately, but all invaders need time to settle in. my point is, france will want war, and i believe an inevitable strike is necessary.
8/17/2007 12:22 PM


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i have another idea. ill make a poll of war vs all other known nations, and we vote their. now let me list:
vs france
vs egypt
vs aztecs
vs mystery nation
no war


i think war is inevitable, and we must be the first to get it, and if we are on the receiving end of an army, then i would rather be on the offense at that time, on foreign soil.
8/17/2007 1:45 PM
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There is on clear indicator here that the French AI will become 'aggressive' in nature towards the Community. While there is the fact that the French expanding onto our continent is indeed likely, I am unable to see where it demands offensive action on our part.

In my mind, if the French did settle a city upon our continent, we could raze any settled city or capture any settler relatively easily.  After such, the resulting war could also be handled relatively easily if we equipped ourselves with the needed naval units to defend our costal interests (fishing boats).  It seems contstant,  that such a war with the french will come down to costal pillaging as would any aggressive action taken against them in the present would. I'm also convinced there is no real possibility of french units stepping onto Community soil in either scenario.

On the other note, I'm in agreement that the game would probably see better waters if restarted with BTS.  There would be more opportunities for people to become involved, however, at the cost of throwing away all the effort put into the current game.

8/17/2007 3:57 PM


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bismark, bismark, you keep missing the point that a major war could show the nations of our world who is the best, and what the benefits on the long run will be. people, if we begin war now, we will have the advantage, are they not technologically weaker than us? and if a city on the east point established, then would we have the additional city we need? a city on the Kandian coast would allow us access to french waters, and thus give us the ability to launch a preemptive strike.
8/17/2007 8:59 PM


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but france is the largest nation close to us, am i correct?

That is yet to be seen.  We have no idea how large the Aztecs are or the Egyptians.

but the aztecs are a nation away

This is false.  All one has to do is look... well here you go:

western continent

Tiwanaku (sp?) is closer to our continent than Thebes. 

and i believe them to be a minor threat. but in the long run, france WILL become an aggressor

Based on what.  My experience has shown that the Aztecs are much more agressive than the French.  We don't know how large the Aztec nation is or how strong it's military is. 

and pretty soon will settle on our continent.

This is true but I'd rather fight them once they are on our soil than a continent away.  It's just not necessary to take offensive action.  The AI sucks at cross continental warfare and we'd take out any frence settlements easilly.  I understand you may be itching for some action but the timing is just not right.  Let's wait until we have a few more cities and more of an army to deal with them.  Our starting location unfortunately or fortunately means no wars of conquest until we at least have our continent filled with our culture.  In 1000 years, I will likely be right there with you. 

8/18/2007 9:13 AM
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grandgeneral (8/17/2007)
bismark, bismark, you keep missing the point that a major war could show the nations of our world who is the best, and what the benefits on the long run will be. people, if we begin war now, we will have the advantage, are they not technologically weaker than us? and if a city on the east point established, then would we have the additional city we need? a city on the Kandian coast would allow us access to french waters, and thus give us the ability to launch a preemptive strike.

The AI is not human and there's no reason to expect human-like reactions from them.

Any war in the present, will only hurt us diplomatically with France and its Friends.  There would be no modifier in the game that would make the other AI civilizations take us more seriously, respect us more, or think we are better then them.  It's Constant, that the only modifier, would be negative with France and its Friends.

Once again, I still can't see anything logical in attacking the French now besides the 'oh, just attack them because they're next to us,' argument. My expected result if we began a war now, is that there would be nothing gained to justify it.  There would be no city worth the effort gained (if any at all, which I doubt there would be) and we would just force ourselves to worry about French galleys pillaging the sea-side (which we would be forced to defend against). 

On the other point, even if we established a city on the Eastern Coast, what makes you think it would be able to provide the units needed to attack the French? There would be no pre-existing infrastructure in place and the production is of course going to be slow.  Thus, any established city in the near future on the East Coast is going to prove minimal in action taken against the French militarily...  in truth, it's just another place garrisoned by defending troops.

France is minor at best in regards to threats towards the Community.

8/18/2007 5:20 PM


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The AI is not human and there's no reason to expect human-like reactions from them.

Aaargh, no! You mean.... the computer programmers are fallible???

Run , run for the hills.

No, the supermarkets, run for the supermarkets...

the hills....

noooo...