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THE 1BC 5 STAR GENERAL
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| | OK....so the war versus France was going great when, like I presumed they would, the Aztecs sneak attacked me. I had to put my invasion off Paris to a halt to fight off the Aztecs. My axemen easily cut down their jungle warrior UU. I razed a couple Aztec cities and was aroudn 10 turns away from Feudalism and wanted to just hold off the wars enough for both the French and the Aztecs to capulate. Just a few turns to go and both Carthage (Hannibal) and the Celts (Brennus) declare war on me and send hordes, like tons and tons, of units to attack me. I was now being attacked from both West, North, and East. Most of my units were on my Northern and Western borders, occupied with Aztec and French troops, and my Eastern border was home free from Brenus to sweep through my land a capture a couple cities and my capital. I quickly got peace from the French, but the Aztecs wouldn't listen to any deals I proposed. I managed to get my capital back and ward off the Celtic invasion when out of nowhere the Ethiopian empire, a good friend of mine, decides to take a shot at me now. I was at like +15 with Ethiopia in diplomacy and we were great trading partners and everything, but I guess they wanted in on this fun lol. So I fought off a couple Ethiopian invaders without losing a city. Then, the French decided they wanted back in and declared war on me again. I put up a huge fight, fighting off everyone I could and near the end of the great India's time, the Byzitanians decided to join the fun too. This was a very interesting game. I've never seen the AI all gang up on one civ like this. I've played at harder difficulties and have yet to see this occur. I must admit, some of the AI strategizing on their placing of units and how they attacked amazed me this game and it was tons of fun...even though I lost. I think that the French or the Aztec got Hannibal and Brenus to declare war on me, but then again, the Aztec and French were Buhddist whereas Carthage and Celtia were Confusist. The Aztecs and the French deeply hated the Carthegians and the Celts. So my question is, what got these two civs to join in and later two other civs (Ethiopia and Byzitania) of two comepeltely other religions (Hinduism and Judiasm). All of these civs had terrible relations with civs of other religions. Maybe Hannibal just scouted out my land with spies and realised I had no real defense (which was my stupid mistake) on my Eastern borders and thats why he attacked with Brennus as his ally. Anyway, I was completely dazzled by this gang up and also by the amazing millitary strategizing of the AI when it came to attacking and defending. I really enjoyed this GOTM! Was great fun!  One more thing. I normally play on normal game speed. I've played many games on Marathon and Epic too, but normal has just stuck to me as my preference. This game might of changed that. By making it longer to build units and buildings, it makes those untis, buildings, and cities all that more valuable since they all have the same movement, attack, benefit, etc., as a faster game speed game. |
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The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the others die for theirs. - General Patternson
Freedom isn't free. - Anonymous
We make war that we may live in peace. - Aristotle
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Grognard fantôme
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| Sounds like General Georges had about the same experiences as I did on fighting several civs at once for a long time, but I think I'm coming out ahead on my military battles after a scare or two. What is with this particular game?
I'm not sure on Feb. 14th. I sure don't mind us finishing later. I still think we can start a March game before the Feb. game officially ends. Mongoose?
I love longer games for the higher importance of many things. If you expand too quickly in a normal game for example, I don't think it will bury you, but it can in an Epic or Marathon game (this one is Epic). If you make a couple of military mistakes here or there in a normal game, it isn't the end of the world, but with the longer production times in the longer games, it could be more costly. My War Elephants have been priceless in this longer game with my being at war for the past 1000 years or so.  The era of things like War Elephants seem to pass too quickly in a normal game, in my opinion.
I have been itching to finish this one. A couple more days until my weekend and I'll have PC access again and can hopefully continue the madness. Fun game. |
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-"You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step."
-"If a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
-“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
-“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness, in a descending spiral of destruction. The chain reaction of evil must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."
(all 4 above by Dr. Martin L. King Jr.)
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| Here's an example of karma. I set up the game with the huge map setting... and now I"m having troubles with it crashing and blacking out. 
For an update in my game:
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Its in the 1500s. I got Brennus to capitulate and pressed my attack on Joao and got him to capitulate. Thats 3 vassals now. Zara started massing huge numbers of troops on the border in the 1500s. It was a real arms race, especially when I noticed Montezuma (Zara's vassal) massing on my border too. I basically switched almost every city to making units and I made a B-line for cavalry. I spent about 5000 gold to upgrade units to cavalry. I guess I was winning the arms race, so Zara declared war on Washington. Several turns later, I decided to attack him as he was weaker now, and Zara is many techs ahead. I'm going to lose to him if I don't press the attack and now that I have cavalry and he doesn't, thats as good as time as any. But... now my game is crashing. I'll try turning settings down and see what happens. 
Oh, and I got my 9th Great General. If I can somehow beat Zara to Fascism, I can get a 10th maybe. This is... India? What the...? |
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-"You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step."
-"If a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
-“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
-“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness, in a descending spiral of destruction. The chain reaction of evil must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."
(all 4 above by Dr. Martin L. King Jr.)
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| | *throws in the towel* That's it. I can keep going but you know what? Why put myself through the suffering? It's *tries to refrain from screaming* yet another game I've lost. I had a military of crushing economic levels (I'm talking 5-6 units per city). I had 11 cities, which on this map was doing pretty good. I had survived wars against the Aztecs and the French, but against the juggernaut Byzantines...no. Oh yes, the Byzantines who I had been at peace with forever. My problem? Being next to them. If you play this game, axe/bow rush everyone around you. Don't research anything. Don't make friends with anyone. Kill, kill, kill...it seems to be the ONLY WAY to win Civ IV...be rabidly antisocial to everyone around you, forget about building, murder them, rape them, burn their cities (oh and get DOZENS of top of the line units as guerillas...yeah that's fun...NOT) I freaking hate this game. So my question is, what got these two civs to join in and later two other civs (Ethiopia and Byzitania) of two comepeltely other religions (Hinduism and Judiasm). All of these civs had terrible relations with civs of other religions. ...Because the computer is a (expletive deleted). ....now that I've looked over the other hidden posts, I'm...speechless. How any of you did any good and did not wind up like me and Georges on the bottom of an AI fist-fest, I'll never understand. Until I got attacked the first time, I thought I was doing great. Once I fended off the French and Aztecs, I was like, okay maybe we'll make it. The Byzantines took three cities and showed no sign of stopping, even though I razed two of their cities. Oh yes. NEVER EVER RAZE a city...you're only building them a military. I'm DONE with this game. NEVER going to play again. Ever. I hate this game, I stamp it with a huge THIS SUCKS as bad as Master of Orion III. I would rather watch a marathon of Lost in Translation and Ultraviolet than to suffer through another game. I may even uninstall it. I don't think I'll buy another game in this franchise until I hear that they've made it not suck. Yes...yes...I know. It's obviously my fault but I cannot stand this. I've tried to learn it. I've tried to do well. I obviously am too old to learn a new game. Have fun with this, I've fallen off the tech wagon. *ends his whining sobfest and heads for other places* |
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| Sorry Leo. 
I'm not sure why you've had so many bad experiences with the games, particularly as of late (this particular game was surprisingly 'war-mongering' for some reason).
I wish I could change your mind or give you some strategy or something, but you seem very frustrated, so I'd recommend taking a break and see if you want to play after a while. Sorry, man.
Anything above Prince difficulty and you're gonna see more war-mongering by the AI, but this particular game, for being Prince, is an odd one. I'm not sure why so many of us had to rumble so much in this one. I'm in the 1500s and have only had a few turns of peace in the A.D. era.
I'd have a couple more suggestions for you, but maybe after some time has passed. If you're interested after a break, please let me know. 
BTW, Masters of Orion III was the biggest disappointment I've had with games. Not that I play very many. I LOVED MOO II. MOO III sucked. |
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-"You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step."
-"If a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
-“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
-“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness, in a descending spiral of destruction. The chain reaction of evil must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."
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Udderly ridiculous
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| Oh, as a side note, with the massive map and many units to keep track of, I had to turn down my resolution in my game to play without occassionally crashing to black. (Fade To Black by the Rolling Stones comes to mind as I write this. I think I'll pull that up and listen to it, hehe).
I also read on Civfanatics some guy recommending Omega Drivers ( http://www.omegadrivers.net/ ) if you have Nvidia or Radeon cards. I have a Radeon 9600 and installed it and my game has never run so smoothly. It used to be a little choppy as I scroll across a map and such, the bigger...the more chop, but its smooth now. I thought I'd pass that along in case anyone else wanted to try those. |
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-"You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step."
-"If a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
-“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
-“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness, in a descending spiral of destruction. The chain reaction of evil must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."
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