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Black Owl

3/13/2008 2:02 AM

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Jerm--I can see where we split paths. Like I said, I should have clarified. Mostly, just AG related businesses would be aware of what I last wrote. It isn't exactly advertised. PWNED=OWNED And sorry RK. I didn't own anybody. If we had been debating the same point, I'd give it a maybe. I can almost hear you, "Damn you Black Owl, Damn you to h...!!!!!" Anyway, I was viewing another History Channel program this afternoon, about renewable energy sources. If I could, I'd post pics of Iceland I would. They are almost entirley energy self sufficient. Geo-Thermal Power. It is estimated that in ten to twenty years they will be entirely independant. The total independance of Iceland will be arrived by through Hydrogen. According to the program, any nation with Geo-Thermal activity and the ability to produce Hydrogen, can infact make Fossil Fuels a background support, rather than a foreground need. Wind, tidal, and wave power combined also creates enormous benefits with the newer technologies. Great Britain can if they choose build wave farms. A single 24 square mile wave farm can generate enough power to power every home and business on the isle. Why don't we do these things? Because Oil Companies haven't found a way yet to make them as profitable as oil. But they are looking. Because crude oil will not last very much longer as a viable commodity. And because of public pressure for cleaner more efficient energy sources. Public acceptance of these alternatives must increase. It's still too easy to pull up to a pump. But we are beginning to feel the pain. Wether we choose to accept Global Warming as a fact or fiction. Alternative sources must be increased as oil supplies decrease. Coal in my mind should be saved as a background source of power in a supportive role. No matter how clean you can make it burn. It's still a dirty business mining it. Ethanol, also will have to take a back seat. There is not enough acreage to grow enough of it, without removing food and feed crops. There is a whole list of things that could be done. Why aren't they? Not enough pressure yet to do so. So if punching up the numbers a tad to get the worlds attention on Global Warming (Chicken Little), creates a demand for cleaner, more efficient, renewable resources, I personally say, go ahead, tell 'em the sky is falling. They'll listen then.
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK Edited: 3/13/2008 2:05 AM by Black Owl

tones

3/13/2008 6:55 AM

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It's still too easy to pull up to a pump. But we are beginning to feel the pain. Hmmm. That produced an ironic chuckle. Being a denizen of the British Isles I can tell you that fuel is now approaching two and a half of your dollars per LITRE and people grumble but still pay up. This is because they have little choice. Public transport over here is mind-bogglingly expensive. Asked if they would like cleaner and cheaper energy they all say "yes", but told that there will therefore have to be a windfarm on the horizon they suddenly change their minds. There are even concerned groups worrying about offshore windfarms chopping up migrating birds. The government are hopelessly behind the curve and are diddling around (to put it politely) and have even recently given the go-ahead to a new batch of coal-fired power stations. You would have thought the rest of the world would be looking at us and thinking "lucky old Britain, all they need are a few turbines and a wave machine or two." Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen for many, many years because the political will is absent and most of the population either ignorant or apathetic, or both. Oh and in case you were wondering, I happen to like windfarms - I think they're (almost) beautiful. Bugger the birdies though - they can learn the meaning of survival of the most intelligent (duh, shall we fly through them big choppy blades or around them Donald? Donald??)
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Black Owl

3/16/2008 5:32 PM

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Shame. Britain could really be leading the world on these sorts of things. Sounds all too........American!
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK

jerm

3/21/2008 5:19 PM

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Two articles by Roy W. Spencer: The Sloppy Science of Global Warming Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences Edited: 3/21/2008 5:20 PM by jerm

Roadkill

3/22/2008 3:40 AM

LUNATIC ATHEIST!!11!!!

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Roy Spencer On the subject of Intelligent design, Spencer wrote in 2005, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college." -Wow, you kind of dug up the greatest source of unbiased scientific information in the world. Have a prize.
-- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." -- Joseph Conrad (1857-1924) With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. --Steven Weinberg(1933- )

jerm

3/22/2008 1:14 PM

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...and how does that take away from this: Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for University of Alabama in Huntsville. In the past, he served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement. Not sure how beliefs in a totally separate arena of science would discredit someone's work in another, especially if that other field is his specialty.
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

Roadkill

3/22/2008 1:39 PM

LUNATIC ATHEIST!!11!!!

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jerm (3/22/2008) ...and how does that take away from this: Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for University of Alabama in Huntsville. In the past, he served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement. Not sure how beliefs in a totally separate arena of science would discredit someone's work in another, especially if that other field is his specialty. -His inability to rationally evaluate something pretty much discredits him.
-- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." -- Joseph Conrad (1857-1924) With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. --Steven Weinberg(1933- )

Konrad von Richtmark

3/22/2008 3:55 PM

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jerm (3/22/2008) Not sure how beliefs in a totally separate arena of science would discredit someone's work in another, especially if that other field is his specialty. Well, that's atheists for you. It is unthinkable to them that any rational person would have a worldview differing from theirs.
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Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat