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| LC, why must you be so irrational? Because he is a number which cannot be expressed as a fraction m/n, where m and n are integers, with n non-zero. (sorry, that's for the Maths thread)  ... Global Warming / Climate Change is interesting though. Sydney just had one of the "coolest" summers for 25 years. Of course it was still hot, but not as hot as normal. People say it's just one of those longer-term cycles. We seem to be getting more rain again (which is good). It's hard to say how much impact man has made, given we cannot compare with what would have happened without man's impact over the last 200-250 years of industry. I'm fully for getting us off the oil dependency, as we get held to ransom on the prices at the bowser all the time. How about all the heat man generates through heating homes in winter? How about the change in the reflectivity of the planet with all the concrete and buildings we have created? Surely these must have an impact too. |
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| LC is pi, and EVERYBODY loves pi!
Okay, my personal thoughts on global warming, in a (probably useless) attempt to get this thread back on track:
Are humans causing causing it? Possibly. Does it matter? Not really. We know that global warming is almost a certainty. And cleaning up our act will help more than just the greenhouse effect. All the same, going crazy will do much more harm than good - I think I'd rather have the icecaps melt than see civilization return to pre-1800's levels of technology. In any case, why there is so much debate about whether or not humans are causing it is beyond me. The times (and temps) are a'changin', and blaming ourselves won't help one whit. Neither will acquitting ourselves. How about we stop spewing stuff into the air just because, you know, we don't like to poison our own lungs? Surely that's enough motivation?
Idealistic? Perhaps. Enough rhetorical self-answered questions in my post? Most certainly.  |
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| The main debate over whether or not global warming is human caused seems to be because if we caused it than we can take more or less obvious steps to fix it, whereas if pumping carbon into the athmosphere didn't change it then stopping the pumping won't make things better anyway.
I see that. But it seems to me, even if carbon isn't doing anything about global warming... what puts carbon in the atmosphere? Car exhaust, industrial processes, stuff like that. Now, these are things that no one wants to breathe, regardless of what it does to influence global temperatures. Cities like Mexico City have pronounced smog problems, and it's been conclusively proven that living in cities like that drastically increases chances for repiratory illness.
So my point is, whether or not these things contribute to global warming SHOULD be irrelevant, because they also do things that are directly harming people, quite aside from melting the icecaps.
My guess is that Places like China or Mexico will be the first to implement cleaner technology, and eventually there will be an outcry in better-off countries and cities to adopt the same. Seeing as these new technologies are bound to be expensive (at least at first), I'm also guessing that poorer countries like China, India, and Mexico will take a good long while to adopt them. All the same, as those are the countries that have the most dire need of them, I still think they will lead the way, with Europe and America following them.
It's not how I would like it, but I think that's the most likely outcome. |
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