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4/24/2008 12:12 AM


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That's why we're not in the stone age.


No, but we grew a brain and figured out new and exciting ways to blow ourselves to smithereens, thus sending us BACK to the stone age! And we just may do that someday :shudders:
4/24/2008 7:32 AM
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not going to happen LC
4/24/2008 8:10 AM


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no, we wouldn't send ourselves back to the Stone Age, we'd just end our precious presence on this planet completely. I'm typically the optimist when it comes to pretty much everything, but with this thing I am not so certain...
4/24/2008 8:24 AM
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that I agree
4/24/2008 8:37 AM
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It is possible you may have invented a more efficient way to tie the shoes, but you still spent time and effort doing that. What more, you never question why it should be laces, or shoes for that matter. Waering mocasins is a tradition, wearing bear hide mocasins is a ritual. Were you to try to make your mocasins out of say sheep hide (like a monkey would since a sheep-hide mocasins will seemingly accomplish the same task, namely cover and protect your feet, w/out the risks of killing a bear), very soon you will discover that they dont last as long as bear-hide mocasins. By that time you will have expended your resources on those no good mocasins and will have to go out and get bear-hide for extra effort. Repeat this over generations and savings/waste become enormous. We do try to improve what is out there (comparative advantage) but we also perfectly copy what has been improved for us by others. And that dont stop w/age

4/24/2008 11:52 AM


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You make very good points and I don't mean to necessarily argue, only give a challenge.  I actually didn't spend much time developing "my way" of tying my shoes, it just sort of evolved over time because I was too impatient to tie them.  Now, I actually tie them once and just slip them on because that is even faster.  Sure, they may become untied occasionally, but I haven't lost the ability to tie them.  If I were to go running or do some kind of sport, I'd probably want to tie them properly.

The more I think of it though, I think there is a lot of truth to what you are saying.  In our (the one I belong to) culture, three meals a day is tradition and we do it.  In fact our day revolves very much around this schedule.  I'm sure there are better ways to break up your meals but we follow what we grew up with.  When you think about it, very few people actually come up with new ways of doing things.  Trends occur when someone comes up with a new way of doing things and people follow.  If everyone questioned the efficiency of everything we'd never get anything done.  It would be like in Civ if we put all our citizens to be scientists.  You wouldn't get very far.

So is the beauty of the human brain that we are (generally) open to hearing new ideas at a young age and trying them out?  Then as we get older, we find what we are comfortable with and stick with it and get to work?  You have a small percentage of "inventors" and the rest of us are "triers/followers?"  In your example, you'd have a guy in your tribe who would try out various moccasins until he found the best one.  Only one guy lost efficiency in order to make general efficiency better.  In tribal communities it's probably not very practical to do this so this is probably why it took so long for humans to make that first leap into civilization...?

BTW, I think this should be moved into the Worldly Chatter Forum.  Doesn't seem very controversial and a lot more members who avoid P&R may be interested.

4/24/2008 12:42 PM


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In our (the one I belong to) culture, three meals a day is tradition and we do it.


I don't! (and I am pretty sure I belong to that same culture, as it was how I was raised, but it just doesn't work so well for me!

For me breakfast is almost always split into before work and then mid- to late- morning, lunch will sometimes be split into early and late afternoon, or sometimes just a bigger lunch in the middle of the afternoon around 2 or 3, and dinner will typically be one meal around 7 or 8. As I count 'em that's 4 to 5 meals throughout the day. I am very unconventional in that regard!
4/24/2008 2:08 PM


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Yeah, well, you're one of the "inventors" aren't you?  Excentric Scientist!
4/24/2008 5:28 PM
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Nah... argue all you want (thats what I want too). I say "you" bcz I like the personal aspect of it. I could have just as easily used "one"
4/24/2008 5:30 PM