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First Lieutenant
      
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| | In recent threads I've delved into here in P&R, I've found myself in much defense of American values. Some have made me think harder on some issues. Others are nothing more than trumped up BS, to get attention to an endless debate. Today I ran across this. I wanted to share this, for this reason. I don't believe that some others in the world, can understand the depth we Americans feel the events of 9/11. They can't or won't understand it was "An Act Of War". "They" seem to view it soley as a way to bring attention to "Their" plights. We see it, (the majority), as murder in cold blood. In anycase, I found this "Grass Roots" example of the American heart. If there are any doubts as to how the "common" feel here in the US of A. This should help. 

From this... www.jeffiscool.com  Since I see so many links to Anti-American sources, I believe I have a right, and responsibility to answer with some of my own Pro-American sources. But I will not resort to vague, illogical refrences, and opinions disguised as facts(statistics). This is the reality. This, illustrates our sorrow, our pride, and compassion. It has been called arrogance.  

I do apologize for the stretching of the page. No matter how I load the images, they stack in their own fashion in the preview. This should be better as far as the page stretching is concerned-mongoose |
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK
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| | I think maybe what Roadkill is implying--and correct me if I'm wrong here Roadkill--is that the suffering of Americans in 'The War On Terror' is trivial compared with the suffering of the rest of the world, for example the suffering of the Brits in the Blitz. The logic here has a definite allure. "True" suffering only occurs once the forces of evil have had sufficient time, and opportunity to amass their destructive capacities fully, and subsequently are able to unleash on unsuspecting innocents with massive levels of devastation (e.g., the blitz). A small, or one might say incipient, level of devastation such as that unleashed on the U.S. by the forces of Islamofascism in their incipient stages of development cannot compare in its scale, and therefore is trivial by comparison. Since it is trivial, it deserves to be dismissed entirely as being a fabrication of propaganda. After all, we probably deserved it; and "Lord knows," with all our long-legged expeditiousness around the globe and haughty imposition into the affairs of people everywhere we must certainly have been "asking for it?" In order for us Americans to be able to get up on our soap box and preach about the horrors of war, like our European cousins are so uniquely qualified to do, we must first WAIT to let the forces of Islamofascism grow, marshal themselves into a truly fearsome and potent force(s) . . . then wait a bit longer to let them actually mobilize the social will of entire nation(s) state(s) behind their hate. Then wait a bit longer to allow them to actually move incrementally into geo-political position to begin taking by force that which they state they are entitled to in rhetoric (e.g,. expunging the 'Zionist' pestilence from the 'Holy Land,' or all 'infidels' out of their sacred homelands, etc.). Once they have really got themselves well in order, amassed huge social followings, and terrifying military force, and are beginning to use it, THEN we can start to talk about the short-sightedness, the complacency and irresponsbility of our right-wing and isolationist leaders for having ignored the problem for so long while it built up slowly and steadily into a nightmare for future generations to cope with, and mourn. Once they are unleashing holy terror of a truly massive scale on us, let us say comparable in scale to the Blitz (or perhaps in an era of plentiful nuclear armaments much worse?) THEN we will have a basis to feel melancholy, or perhaps combative self-defensiveness, and to actually take steps to fight back. Not before however. We must show the restraint and insight of our European elders, and never fight back until it is too late to actually win. . . . many of you disgusting big brained apes are truly repugnant to me, and I sometimes wonder based on your irrationality, your hubris, your ideological myopia if you actually deserve to inhabit that human form that fate has seen fit to provide you with. May you get all which you deserve . . . |
-- "'The front' is wherever you stop running away. Get used to it. This is what modern warfare looks like." K T Cat
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First Lieutenant
      
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| | I want to reply with some things here that you bring up Scipio. Very valid points you raise in a heart felt manner. And to such an extent that I'm not really sure how I'm going to do it. That was a very powerful post. I suppose firstly I'd say, I know, or I think I know RK was reminding me that others suffer as well. And I want him to know I'm not taking away from that. I am only spotlighting this, because I was speaking of this present. This era. This current threat, not just to the US, or France, or Spain, or Great Britain, or Japan. But a point occurs to me in reading what you posted Scipio, that history does tend to repeat itself. I wish RK had posted more text along with that. Could very well be what he is saying. In anycase, if I remember my history, many in Europe thought Hitler would stop with Poland, and were prone to look the other way. Even the US. Churchhill I believe was one of the few with great wisdom and foresight to see that Hitler had no intention of stopping before achieving world domination. In his mind Hitler had that right. Fascism. Hitlers right to the world was genetics based. A falicy to be sure. An excuse to slaughter millions. But when I see the videos smuggled out of Pakistan, and pay close attention to the Iranian President I hear the same overtones. The same words in a different context. Religious right to the world. Even the same reasoning of the Catholic Church during the Crusades. Do I believe they are all equally dangerous and a threat to individual freedom? Yes. We already have many liberty's and freedoms being eroded here in the US because of this war. Because our current adversaries wear no distinguishing clothing, they hide among our populace, everyone is now suspect. We watch our neighbors more closely. An unattended package becomes a bomb. A ride on a plane to visit family or conduct business becomes a nightmare of uncertainty. And on and on. So the damage is already being done. Many countries have dealt with these fears, including the USA. We had a Civil War that had it's own unique forms of terrorism. One should be very aware that the current threat IS global. It won't stop because Israel ceases to exist. It won't end because the United States converted under a Fundimentalist yoke of terrorism, and proxy wars started by Syria or Iran. It won't stop if even the whole world converted. Why? Because this is a war for world dominance and power under the guise of religion. Under the guise of, "GOD tells me it is my right. And killing those who have not raised a hand against me is okay, if I percieve them to be pigs, "infidels." While "Pig-dogs" and "Infidels", terms that have been used, even in these forums to descibe Americans. It should be remembered these terms are generic. And used to describe any hinderence(including other, more peace adhereing Muslims) to Militant Islamic growth. That is what I have learned here. My mind has been open to any reasonable discourse or debate on the subject, in the interest not only of tolerance, but that I might actually learn something. Atleast the heart of another people. But in recent days the propaganda, side stepping and disinformation I've seen spread across these pages has caused me to step back. And think to myself. There can be nothing more to learn from that source. So I look for other more reasonable voices. Those I can listen to and not wonder if the meds ran out. I learned much from Locus about the Muslim faith. His balanced replies to me in previous posts, and PM's caused me to be very thoughtful, and I could find tolerance for another's views. Psweet was another. Niether had to insult, badger, bait, or threaten me to come to an understanding. Not full agreement, no. But understanding and an ability to listen for more. If that were the case in the world today, there may have been no need to paint that truck in rememberance. No need of the hundreds of thousands, millions of memorials, great and small, across the whole world for those who died in conflicts arrising from the twisted views of a few. And in all fairness, I do not leave certain US leaders and organizations out of that contempt. But somewhere a line needs to be drawn. This is as good a place as any in time. It's already too late for too many innocents. |
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK
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