Is Violence Neccesary?

Is Violence Neccesary?

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5/20/2008 10:37 AM

lame duck

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top ten=currency localized, quiet blow up into world issue, give importance, creat currency, attract to cause nairobbi, human suffering, Ireland borrowing goodwill, Spain
-- Never try to impress a woman, bcz if u do she'll expect u to keep up the standard for the rest of ur life. W. C. Fields

5/20/2008 11:06 AM

First Lieutenant

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Then the world in general should ignore Terrorism because to address the problem makes the problem larger? The US did in large part ignore Terrorism until 9/11. Just as we ignored Japan and Germany. Just as the whole world ignored both. Till it was almost too late to act. Unfortunately, I feel it is only a matter of time before state sponsored Terrorism is able to place a nuke(s) into the hands of those who would use them to kill not thousands, but millions. What shall we say then?
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK Edited: 5/20/2008 11:09 AM by Black Owl

5/20/2008 11:13 AM

Udderly ridiculous

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Any even bigger question perhaps, is if a nuke is set off in say... New York City, what response will we have? Surely we won't nuke a city in return, will we? What if we don't know exactly who did it? Will we make ALL of our "enemies" pay? Will this be a license to nuke Iran, North Korea, etc, etc? What is an appropriate response to this if it happens? Scary thoughts.
-- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bow-lines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain "Don't ask yourself what the world needs, ask yourself what makes you come alive and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." -Harold Thurman Whitman

5/20/2008 11:25 AM

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BlackO, I am not sayin' "ignore". I am sayin' "define it properly & deal w/it properly"
-- Never try to impress a woman, bcz if u do she'll expect u to keep up the standard for the rest of ur life. W. C. Fields

5/20/2008 11:26 AM

First Lieutenant

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The US has stated that it WILL retaliate against any country guilty of State Sponsored Terrorism, in any way it feels appropriate, including Nuclear Retaliation. The same thinking we used on the Soviet Union. But we are dealing with a different sort of adversary now. One that has shown little sanity when it comes to Human life. So I doubt MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction will have much effect. Our reaction after 9/11 should remove any question as to wether or not we will act in retaliation. (Even if we are not sure of the target!) Indeed, the American public will demand a response. At that point it will be too late for the sluggish UN to matter.

BlackO, I am not sayin' "ignore". I am sayin' "define it properly & deal w/it properly"] -M-
Okay, we are fairly intelligent. Let's try doing that very thing right here. Kind of a mini globe. What is a proper definition? How do we deal with it properly?

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Edited: 5/20/2008 11:40 AM by Black Owl

5/20/2008 11:45 AM

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dont know But for starts Lets admit that AlQaeda brand terror is an American problem & not the World's. I mena the figurehead for AlQaeda (binLaden) stated as such. He attacked ameracan interests abroad. US response was wut? Be back to finish
-- Never try to impress a woman, bcz if u do she'll expect u to keep up the standard for the rest of ur life. W. C. Fields

5/20/2008 11:55 AM

First Lieutenant

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Sorry, can't admit that. For this reason. You speak of currency often. Now put that thinking to attacks on the US and the effects on the dollar. Now, tie that in to world economics. Not so much just an American problem now is it. I have to say here that it is sad that, that connection must be made. Life should be of greater value, but I'll take my "rose colored glasses" off for this discussion. Since it is part of the reality.
-- "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."---JFK

5/20/2008 1:00 PM

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America is the Great Satan but so is anyone who allies with us, so yeah, it's a world wide problem. Spain was bombed, UK was bombed, Russia has had problems with terrorism. When we say "worldwide" we do not mean every single country would be affected equally, it just means the whole world is affected. If the Jihadists get their way, the whole world will be affected. If the U.S. falls, the world falls. World War 2 shouldn't be called a World War because the whole world wasn't involved right?
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5/20/2008 4:25 PM

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To continue... He attacked US targets abroad. US responce was to put him "FBI most wanted" & limited attempts to detain or kill. This is a very tardy response at best, bcz there have been opportunities to kill him, but US didnt. And US didnt do it for all sorts of excuses (read that as exactly wut it says "excuses") Why? Targets were abroad, majority of the victims were foreigners, so why bother. So wut did all of those limited responses accomplish? They made him into a legend w/an aura of invincibility. Everybody knew where he was. He kept killing ppl w/the moto "America is Devil" & pay for nothing. So he used his legend as a currency of sorts to attract more ppl to his cause It took a 9/11 for US to realize that he was not just a villian, but a capable one too. So wut did the US do? They declared a global war on terror, which is basicly the equivalent of taking up an amplifier & screaming: "Now I am gonna come & really kill u". And in this effort to creat a "global war on terror" a lot of goodwill was borrowed. Goodwill from countries like Spain & England. And wut did this countries get in return for their goodwill? They get homegrown terrorists inspired by someone, who basicly was popularized by US. Who doesnt like a brazen do-getter of their own? For all of u "global war on terror" supporters & "Bush is a lame duck" thinkers... how come is it u think that his creation is any more worthy & relevant than the man himself? Lets make up our mind. Either he is a brilliant individual & his cause is as worthy as any other global issue or he is a lame duck & all he stands for is as lame as him (by the way I like Bush. Not for his brilliance, but more like for his personality). So wut I am getting at is that the crimes commited in Africa were just as horrible as 9/11. 500 innocent victims is just as painful as 3000. He could have been dealt with before that fateful September. And wutever deal he would have gotten would have been just as just as any deal he got after 9/11. He could have been dealt with quietly & very inexpensively, but alsa thats not wut happened. Now we got this "Global War" thing going. He is still a very localized problem, but America is shoving "U are either w/us or against us" rhetoric down everybodies throat, which action is only serving to highten sensitivities, deepen the problem, & spread its reach. Thats all I am sayin'
-- Never try to impress a woman, bcz if u do she'll expect u to keep up the standard for the rest of ur life. W. C. Fields Edited: 5/20/2008 4:36 PM by -M-