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I think the main reason for not including Hitler is the way his own people regard him. Hitler has been declared evil by pretty much the entire world; and after the Germans lost the war, the propaganda machineries of the winning powers did a very good job of convincing the Germans that Hitler really was an ultimate evil, evil on a level which transcends the evilness of any other evil dictator. The Germans are still today suffering from a national trauma of epic proportions, which has caused a number of rather silly consequences (but I won't go into details on that, lest this thread be moved to P&R).
Considering that, would it be commercially wise for Firaxis to have included Hitler into the game as a German leader, considering the customer base that a first-world country of 80 million people constitutes? Especially when there are other historical German leaders that are suited well enough for the game. Bismarck and Frederick are both fathers of the German nation-state in their own way, and very successful too considering the long-term effects of their rules on their people. Hitler can lay claim to neither of those honours.
Stalin, on the other hand, is not even nearly so reviled by his people, as polls conducted in Russia show. Far from all view him as the evil genocidal dictator, a lot of people regard him well for industrializing and modernizing the USSR, leading it to victory in WW2, and generally taking it from a backward country to superpower status. Stalin is not only less hated, but also a lot more successful, and a lot more significant in the creation of what Russia is today.
No, it would simply be inappropriate to include hitler in the game; the proof is here and here
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Although, evil is evil regardless of how many people you have killed. I suppose I agree with you Cleo, but it is never clearcut. Most people agree Hitler was evil, and I suspect so was Stalin, but we sometimes get hung up on absolute numbers. What about percentages? King Charles I of Spain was indirectly responsible for the eradication of a whole people (the Aztecs) in the early 16th century. Is he generally perceived as evil? No. Is it more evil to exterminate 20 million souls, or 100% of a race, or an orphan child? Is it evil to kill the majority of the population of two Japanese cities to shorten a war? All very subjective and debateable and something, really, for P&R but it does suggest to me that "evilness" as such should not be measure of whether a historical figure should be included in a game or not. Whatever else you may think, Hitler was an extremely important historical figure and it could be argued he has a place in the game. After all, no one would be forced to play as him, would they?
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