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5/9/2008 2:21 PM


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Well, Mr Philosopher-Cowboy, you said several times during the latter part of the game that the Omegan over-emphasis on the navy was a weakness to potentially exploit. But as far as I see it, it forced you to make an even greater emphasis on coastal defence. In the destroyer era, you had about 8 units per coastal city at least, while we had at the very most 14 destroyers all in all. I do think Omegan naval superiority was very much worth it.

Granted, if you would have started building transports and tried to sneakily slip to the Omegan mainland, we might have got a bit nervous. But still, we had city visibility on you since we dropped our first great spy on you, and got city investigation very soon too. We would have noticed any attempts to equip an amphibious assault a mile away, but it might still have been worth it for you since we would have had to reinforce our coastal cities (which most of our cities indeed were).
5/9/2008 2:50 PM


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Another thing I notice is that you seemed to have done relatively little long-term planning. Your aims were usually short-term and your actions situational.

As soon as we Omegans realized that we were on a different continent than you, our long-term strategy was formulated: Conquer our own continent quickly before Alpha establishes contact with Portugal (and use our navy to delay that first contact for as long as possible!), and aggressively prevent Alpha from doing the same - either by reinforcing your neighbours, or by raiding aggressively. We figured that if we'd be able to prevent you from conquering your continent, we would be able to out-produce and out-research you in the long run.


ADDIT: I think a point that illustrates this difference of perspective pretty well is the way we regarded the capitulation of Japan to Alpha. Both teams regarded it as a victory. You did so because you thought you had got a very good peace deal. We did so because it meant that you had permanently forfeited the chance to conquer Japan, and we assumed that Japan would hardly cause us any trouble (which turned out to be correct).
5/9/2008 2:59 PM


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If I can ask, would you Omegan scum give us a day before posting your opinions?
Heh, maybe you shoulda asked nicely...

In preparation of our game I spent many hours reading threads on civfanatics. The strategy articles were particularly nice. I think they helped formulate our early action plans. It's certainly where the espionage focus came from.

As for the ships, we realized that this game would be decided on the ocean as soon as we knew we couldn't reach you by galley. It's not as if we were lucky to get you landlocked; we read the map better than you did.

*off to civfanatics, to read some more...*

Addited: missed KvR's post above. Yeah, what he says.
5/9/2008 4:56 PM
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[It's not as if we were lucky to get you landlocked; we read the map better than you did.]  ZIG

Not all.  Since we saw no visible sign of you till the Caravel,(I believe a call to arms was issued then, to reenforce coastal cities and build the navy), I assumed no shallow water crossing.  Controlling seaways is paramount to success.  You had too one day, I thought, come by boat.  Inorder to do that you or we, had to dominate and control the sea.  It doesn't matter that you didn't make a concerted effort at invasion.  What matters is the very early Naval intel.  Brilliant!  I'm just sorry we didn't have sufficient time to get airborne.

[TBH, I was slightly alarmed when I heard about Omega declaring war on us so soon and with that caravel patrolling the coast. However, it's going to prove pretty rash on their part considering we have our own caravel heading their way and fully able to return the favor.

The pillaging, while annoying, is really not that big a deal from what I've seen considering how bountiful food is around our coastal cities. Thus, I'd recommend we steam roll the Japs as if nothing happened in regards to Omega and you build up our own Navy whenever it is convenient.

I'm even more assured it's not that big a deal considering the Vikings have chosen to defend us. Yar! ] Bismarck

This is where I saw my input was falling on deaf ears.  Omega wasn't just pillaging the coastline.  They were gathering intel.  Sizing us up.  I wrongly thought they were searching for a future landing spot to out flank us.  A weak spot.  I was expecting a massed invasion.  This is just a for instance.  We all underestimated the utter shrewdness of Omegan Leadership.  How wonderfully diabolical of them to use their resources in such a stand off way.  Still it was a big gamble on their part in the initial stages.  It could have gone very badly for them.

[Well, Mr Philosopher-Cowboy, you said several times during the latter part of the game that the Omegan over-emphasis on the navy was a weakness to potentially exploit.] KONRAD

I thought we had dispensed with the trash talk.  This thread isn't open to negative input. 


 


 

5/9/2008 5:50 PM


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There was little gamble actually.  In fact the gamble would have been if we waited any longer.  We declared war as soon as we knew you had started sending ships out to sea.  We wanted to make sure you never saw Omegaland with your own eyes.  I think one Caravel got through but I'm guessing most of your intel on us was from the Vikings and Japs.  One concern was that you may have had a spy (though not a Great Spy) and could have explored at will.  We were also under the false impression of how War Weariness works.  We thought that just by virtue of being at war with you you would get double.  It was only after some time that we realized that WW is only caused when a battle happens in another civ's culture (that's a freebee).  That was why the landing at Rubicon wasn't seen as a total loss for us (it was still heavilly Japanese culture).  You got more WW than us plus you lost a few units too
5/9/2008 5:58 PM
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[Although it appears Alpha went to war against a neighbour earlier than us, we we far more successful against our neighboursbecause we had all the info we needed vs Korea (through OB's) and early info vs Portugal (through the GS) After that it took a lot of self control, but we stuck with the plan and mapped out nearly the whole of the Alphan continent BEFORE infiltrating the GS. From then on we maintained "investigate city" ability for the rest of the game. How powerful was that!?]   From Omegas current introspection thread.

Guess I wasn't to far wrong in my assumptions on the caravel. 

5/9/2008 6:18 PM


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How wonderfully diabolical of them to use their resources in such a stand off way.  Still it was a big gamble on their part in the initial stages.  It could have gone very badly for them.

I think it was Zig who first suggested death by a thousand cuts. After some discussion, we agreed. Thus we used our advantages in a "stand off way" and I don't consider it a gamble at all. There was little that could go badly for us.

Oh well OK that's what we though at at the time. As it happened it worked out OK. Of course something bad could have occurred, but really, it wasn't much of a gamble.

5/9/2008 6:57 PM


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Since we saw no visible sign of you till the Caravel,(I believe a call to arms was issued then, to reenforce coastal cities and build the navy), I assumed no shallow water crossing.
This sounds very passive to me.

it was Zig who first suggested
Heh, I suggested so many things, some of 'em were bound to be hits.

After some discussion, we agreed.
This is really what made Omega tick, once or twice like a bomb, but overall like a precision clock. You cannot all play your own little bit without purposefully orchestrating your strategy.

Black Owl, why are you quoting like that? It makes me read quotes instead of ignore them as ususal...
5/9/2008 10:51 PM
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[Black Owl, why are you quoting like that? It makes me read quotes instead of ignore them as ususal... ] ZIG

It is kind'a different isn't it?  Truth is, up till now I've had very little cause to cut and paste.  Didn't know how.

I actually very much hate quoting.  I'd rather be more.....real?  But recent events in P&R have convinced me that quoting is a way of life in this forum.  (Don't know about others, this is the only one I visit)  And, if I can't figure out a way to make the quote button work here, I had to learn another way, or die.  So I did.  Not trying to be different, in fact I wish I could just post like everyone else.  But, alas, I'm quote challenged.  When I use the button above, I always get the whole damned post!  Even more annoying than quoting this way I imagine, to someone reading it. 

Anyway, Omega's approach to victory here, caught me off guard.  Very well done.

5/10/2008 5:06 AM


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Quote challenged? Come on it's easy. First you need to copy down what you want to quote. A pencil and paper is handy for this. Then open up photoshop or some paint program and type in the quote. Now zoom in and, using the little paintbrush, paint white around each letter. You'll have to be quite careful and very patient with this. When finished, select the quote with a selecty-type-tool-thing and save it as a jpeg image. Now you can upload it to photobucket or ripway or one of those storage sites. When you want to use the quote, simply paste it as an image linked to your site. It'll take you, what, an hour maybe two to get a good professional look to your posts? Worth every minute.

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