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| jerm (5/22/2008)
Konrad, I'm not going to argue whether or not the settlements should be there asI largely agree withyou on this. Forgetting that any adult who lives in the settlements is a fair target, you said genocide. There are some tactics which are so morally reprehensible that they should never be used. Genocide is one of them. Do you think genocide is ever okay? Also, as Rabi points out, it's not going to help "the cause" anyway. So, using this immoral tactic doesn't evenget youanything.
o rly? What did violent resistance ever accomplish, apart from ending colonial rule pretty much everywhere? India is the exception rather than the rule; and there too, Gandhi & co weren't alone, but rather making their struggle in parallel with groups that put the pressure on Britain by sending home occupation troops in body bags.
As seen by the volume of rocket attacks, Hamas and Hezbollah have quite serious firepower between them. Currently, it is dispersed widely and fired into the Israeli mainland. That's why it doesn't accomplish anything else than prolong the conflict (which Hamas probably wants) - it gives Israel no option to rid itself from it by retreating, since they have nowhere to retreat.
Now, imagine all that firepower concentrated onto Jewish Hebron, an extremist enclave of some 400 inhabitants. It would be a smoking ruin in no time. And if the settlements are such a divisive issue in Israeli society as Rabi claims, it would force the hand of those who oppose them. The Israeli military is a conscript army - do they want their own people returning home in body bags from defending an unjust occupation they don't support? |
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| Black Owl (5/22/2008)
Of course there has to be agreement on most of what you say TOSK. But it really should go without saying, that being permitted to post a statement fantasizing about Genocide in Israel, no matter how much "leeway" you give it is not only in very poor taste but just plain wrong. Even if it is a "tongue in cheek" statement. Genocide and Jews are still a very sore spot. I make no contest about about KvR's ability to post his feelings on the Palistinian side of the coin. Every side does have a story to tell. What I take exception to is the tone that is being set. Suppose a Neo-Nazi group should wander in. And they see a Genocidal statement related to Jews go unanswered. Or unchallenged. If one should join, do we accept the same reasoning when they post? Do we let that type of disrespect for fellows here go unchecked because we are afraid of readership? Now I didn't serve in World War II, nor did I spend a minute in a concentration camp. But surprise, I still know the difference between right and wrong. And I certainly don't need you to teach me. You have to make it a point to stop itsomewhere.
If Konrad wants to and feels he needs topost in defense of the Palestinians and their plight, I have no problem. I believe it is what P&R exits for. My problem lies in his method and disrespect for others here. Regardless of his deep feelings, I feel he losses his right to unchallenged comment when the comments become so insensitive as to be hateful. If readership is the key to exchanges in P&R, then it is as Mongoose has said. A waste of time.
An invader is an invader. An irredentist is an irredentist. An oppressor is an oppressor. Nothing changes that, not even the Holocaust. If refusing to tolerate or give leeway to any of that because the one perpetrating it is a Jew makes me a Nazi, then so be it.
Really, I thought the Holocaust card had been played so many times that people had long since started to see it for the fallacy it is. |
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| Really, I thought the Holocaust card had been played so many times that people had long since started to see it for the fallacy it is. Konrad, I hadn't batted an eye-lash at anything you had previously said in other threads (at least that I recall) and stuff that other people found offense to, I found none. But I must say that in this thread, I find a couple of your opinions sounding pretty radical.
Not the "holocaust was exaggerated" claim too! Really!? If this was exaggerated, like it seems popular by some key Islamic mouth-pieces around the world, then why hasn't Germany said that, rather than admitting in shame that they did indeed do this? When Ahmadinejad said this a year ago or so, Germany responded with something to the effect that this was ridiculous and it was their shame and their unfortunate legacy that they must live with. Surely if it was X-number of Jews slaughtered rather than 6 million, Germany would know this and would certainly say this. How can Ahmadinejad or some of the clerics over there know better than Germany itself on this?
I tend to roll my eyes at several things said and done by various organized religions and find many truths at the same time in most of them. But the competitive, 'we're right, you're wrong' garbage seems ignorant, in my opinion at least, and prevalent in most of them. Which, this "holocaust was exaggerated" stuff of late seems to be more of that. Like, that might cause some pity to the Jews in their plight or whatever, so lets just say its exaggerated or didn't happen at all. Lets down-play it since we seem to be rivals of the Jews. |
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