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| Bill O'Reilly vs Rush.
I think they are both oftencorrect on what they speak about. I think Rush is further to the right and is far more devisive and talks about the left in ways to fire people up or tick them off, etc. I'm not sure how much of it is an act for entertainment and how much of it he really believes. I don't recall anything positive he has said about any liberals ever and he likewise plays it up like they all hate America and have no morals, etc. Like they can't actually think their policies are better for *whatever* reason, but its merely part of their evil agendas, blah blah. Thats the devisive crap about politics that has gotten so bad latelyin the U.S., IMO.
O'Reilly seems like he has toned down his act a lot the last year or two. I may be wrong on this, but I think that the Stephen Colbert comedy showthat has gotten so popular,has humbled O'Reilly a bit, as Stephen has said many times he modelled it after O'Reilly. He DOES talk like that, or in my views, DID talk like that.It seems to me like he wants to be a better newsguy now and less 'right' on the political spectrum.
Rush lets his guests speak, even if he will tear them down afterwards, where O'Reilly seems to just cut them off,yell atthem to shut-up, etc, so as far as the jerk-scale, I think Rush is far less, but O'Reilly is closer to the center, but still to the right.
Love this clip.
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| Kind of unrelated, but this to me highlights why McCain should have NEVER picked Palin, and just how hypocratic much of the Republican/media establishment is: http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon-stewart-ann.html (And by the way LC, its because of this kind of stuff that many liberals and independents don't trust O'Reilly) Does inconsistency equal hypocrisy? No doubt we all need to be perfectly careful of what we say in order to make sure we're not hypocrites. I'm sure everyone of us has said things which could be compared to other things we've said to point out our "hypocrisy". I just find it amusing that you seem to imply that the left wing media establishment is free of this. I think the word hypocrite is bandied about far too much and while what these guys said may be inconsistent, I don't think hypocrisy is the right word. You want to call them inconsistent, go right ahead. I probably won't disagree with you. Now, promising that you'll take public funding when it's politically expedient and then when the time comes and it's not politically expedient to do so, you turn it down, well... I'll leave that one alone . To me the great tradgedy of this campaign is McCain's steady drift rightwards away from the true moderate he once was, the moderate who was so disgusted at the Republican party at one point that he was considering leaving it (as true a test as any of real nonpartisanship), the one who had the courage to condemn "agents of intolerance" and the Bush tax cuts. If that McCain were still running I would support him over Obama in a heartbeat. Sadly, in the quest for the Presidency he's sold out, abandoned his roots to become just another neocon. Let's be clear, while McCain may not be biting the hand that feeds him (I mean, you can't do much if you're not elected), he hasn't exactly become Mr. Neocon. While he has said he wants to drill offshore he has of yet (as far as I know) refused to say he will drill in ANWR. Um, neocons want him to. While you may disagree with him, it was only a year ago and at a time when "he didn't have a chance" that he sponsored a very unpopular immigration bill when it was not politically expedient for him to do so. He certainly didn't tow the party line on that one to please the neocons. A year before that, he was calling for Rumsfeld's (<--neocon) head and was considered the lone wacko amongst the republicans in calling for the surge. He was against the tax cuts you point to because he wanted spending to be cut along with them, not because he didn't believe in cutting taxes. In fact, John McCain has never voted for a tax increase so let's not give the impression that he's ever been like the dems or even moderates on this issue. Sorry, you just don't have me sold on that one. Still, I agree with you Scipio that in terms of foreign and military affairs his experience is unrivaled, and in fact if Obama wins I think he should seriously consider offering McCain the Secretary of State. But the election is about more than geopolitics, it is about economics, social affairs, and in general the future of the country. It is in these matters that McCain falls behind, far behind Obama. Obama may have less experience yes, but both his plans and his advisors just make a lot more sense than McCain's. I agree with you that this election is a choice of the lesser of two evils. I just think that Obama is (barely) the lesser evil. The government's first responsibility is to protect us from threats foreign and domestic. That's the most imporant thing! If you get this wrong, you don't get my vote, period. Even if McCain were weak on the other things you mention, national security is paramount. Still, he falls far behind Obama? What plans does Obama exactly have to "fix" the economy? He wants to raise taxes! He wants to instate corporate windfall taxes! While it makes one feel all fuzzy inside to say they will raise taxes on those rich ***s, they are not good for the economy. Say what you will about the effectiveness of tax cuts to the economy but raising taxes when times are already tight is just plain stupid. Where do you think companies will cut to make up for the loss of revenue sent to the government, the CEO salaries? Corporate taxes in the U.S. are among the highest in the world. This is just plain crazy. Okay, I'm getting into a discussion about actual issues here but I think that if you are a leftist (and I don't mean liberal) Obama's "plans and advisers" will probably seem appealing and you should vote for him. If you're not a leftist, you shouldn't. While one may be able to point to a few bills that no one's ever heard of that Obama has "reached across the aisle" on, he wasn't exactly the most moderate senator now was he. |
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| Scipio Africanus (9/4/2008)
Beng a community organizer is not a trivial thing, and the accomplishments he achieved are also not trivial. [quote]But in terms of qualifications for being the Chief Executive of the most powerful nation on Earth, and Commander in Chief of the same nation, I would prefer to see someone who has about 10 years in Congress, or at least 5 to 6 years as a Governor with a preceding 4 or 5 in more minor municipal roles (say being a Mayor of a city over 100,000. How long as Obama been a Senator? No doubt doc. One of the biggest concerns for me is that Obama is lacking in the experience factor. But... but let me play some devils advocate some more, just for the sake of discussion. Expereince helping and empowering people at the grassroots level is certainly experience that would be a refreshing change in a President; I doubt that many of them have that sort of background and this does distinguish Obama from the norm in that respect. But what about being able to handle the global dynamics? What about being able to handle the national dynamics? The Pres has a LOT of things to coordinate. He is not all powerful, and even with a fairly ineffectual or incompetent President (as the last few years show) it is not like the nation will grind to a halt and collapse. But an expert President, one who understands relating to the Governors, the Legislators, the Judicial figures, the military, the poewrful civilian lobbies, etc., etc. can leverage the influence which the President's job has to achieve a lot more than someone whose experience is primarily restricted to proximal and small-scale efforts to help the little guy, and some very big ideas. But I will say this.... You say the president is not all-powerful. Certainly not. But he doesn't have to be. Certainly the Experience factor is important. Just as the Charisma and Intellect and many other factors are important too. BUT just as the President is not all-powerful, the President isn't exactly going it alone either. He has his Cabinet, his Vice President, the wisdom and experience of those in the Senate and Congress and so on and so forth. Ultimately the decision comes down to the President, who will have to draw on their experience, intellect, strength, etc. etc. etc. But I feel that the when people say that Obama is unexperienced, that they are trying to put this one character trait in a vacuum and none of the other stuff that comes with being a President matter! Which is not true. Then again, when you have someone like GWB taking the advice from all the malcontent neo-cons around him, you get some very bad things happening. I will grant that!!! However I also think that Obama is strong in character and in intellect and that he would not too soon fall into some of the same trappings that GWB has. That is my opinion on the whole experience thing. I wish Obama had waited for another 4 to 8 years. In that time span, I think he could have really established himself as a major figure in the nation and have been a much more sure-fire candidate whom we could all be more or less equally enthusiastic about. As it is, I think he is rushing to aspire to a role that he MIGHT just be able to rise to, or he might struggle with. Damn that political ambition gene. I wonder if Obama was taking a calculated strategical move, that if he didn't run now, he might never get the opportunity, considering say the unpopularity of Bush, that if he didn't run, say Hillary did, and she got elected, it would likely be a good 8 years before he could run, and after 8 years of a Democrat in office might not be the BEST time for another Democrat to run, and if he were the Veep to Hillary of whomever else, he might be perfectly slotted to run in 8 years, but if not, he might be up against stiff competition to run in 8 years or maybe 12 or 16 years beyond. Basically, I think he saw a window that might not ever be open again... |
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