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7/17/2008 9:08 AM

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It is here http://1bcciv.com/Topic2253547-56-3.aspx On Elitism
-- Never try to impress a woman, bcz if u do she'll expect u to keep up the standard for the rest of ur life. W. C. Fields

Locus Coeruleus

7/24/2008 12:38 PM

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Sad times ahead for John McCain... McCain's Foreign Policy Frustration "I had the courage and the judgment to say that I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war," John McCain said during a Rochester, N.H., town meeting on July 22. "It seems to me that Senator Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." It was a remarkable statement, as intemperate a personal attack as I've ever heard a major-party candidate make in a presidential campaign, the sort of thing that no potential President of the United States should ever be caught saying. (A prudent candidate has aides sling that sort of mud.) It was also inevitable. You could see McCain's frustration building as Barack Obama traipsed elegantly through the Middle East while the pillars of McCain's bellicose regional policy crumbled in his wake. It wasn't only that the Iraqi government seemed to take Obama's side in the debate over when U.S. forces should leave (sooner rather than later). McCain was being undermined in Washington as well, by his old pal George W. Bush, who seemed to take Obama's side in the debate about whether to talk to Iran. Bush sent a ranking U.S. diplomat to negotiate with the Iranians on nuclear issues — and also let it be known that a U.S. Interests Section could soon be established in Tehran, the first U.S. diplomatic presence on Iranian soil since the 1979 hostage crisis. In the end, both Obama and McCain seemed to have a piece of the truth about Iraq, but Obama's truth was larger and more strategic. Obama had been right about the war in the first place. It was a disastrous idea, a phenomenal waste of lives and American credibility that diverted focus from our real enemy, al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And Obama was right about the war now: the progress in Iraq was enabling a quicker withdrawal — a plan already hinted at by Bush. And Obama was right about the future: the Iraqis don't want long-term U.S. bases on their territory, a McCain keystone and the source of his infamous comment about staying in Iraq for 100 years. McCain's piece of the truth was tactical: he was right about the surge and right about the brilliance of David Petraeus' battle plan, which had helped quiet down Iraq. McCain was justifiably infuriated that Obama wouldn't acknowledge that success — indeed, Obama seemed to understand that he was pushing McCain's buttons, hoping perhaps to elicit McCain's Vesuvian temper, and in Rochester the eruption occurred. Read it all.
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jerm

7/24/2008 1:29 PM

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Sad times may well be in store for McCain but not because of his statement. It is a factual statement and in my opinion, he needs to be more hawkish on this kind of thing. The true sad times for McCain is the press' total affection for Obama. Clearly they love the guy. Whenever McCain has made trips to the region the press largely ignores it while they are following the Obamessiah everywhere he goes. The writer of this article is no exception. He has no qualms about giving his opinion about the decision to go to war in the first place. but Obama's truth was larger and more strategic. Obama had been right about the war in the first place. It was a disastrous idea, a phenomenal waste of lives and American credibility that diverted focus from our real enemy, al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And Obama was right about the war now: the progress in Iraq was enabling a quicker withdrawal — a plan already hinted at by Bush. And Obama was right about the future: the Iraqis don't want long-term U.S. bases on their territory, a McCain keystone and the source of his infamous comment about staying in Iraq for 100 years. It would be one thing if this were labelled as opinion but it's assumed to be as fact. If articles like this were not so common, I'd dismiss them. McCain may not have a snowball's chance but not because of comments he makes like this, in fact I think he should make more of them. McCain has little chance because he's getting free campaign contributions in the form of articles like these from the press which is pulling for him all the way. The gaffes Obama has made in speeches and in interviews would make Bush look brilliant in comparison yet the press loves him so they keep it quiet. Even still, they are (or were a week ago) neck and neck. Imagine if coverage was fair.
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

Locus Coeruleus

7/26/2008 11:49 PM

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I didn't take it as fact jerm. I saw it as an opinion piece....anyways, something is very wrong with this picture: McCain camp pounces on Obama troop visit cancellation Is it just me or is this a cry of desperation??? Sen. John McCain's campaign lashed out at Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday for canceling a visit to an American military base in Germany on Thursday. Furthermore, the guy says: "The most solemn duty of a commander in chief is to fulfill his responsibility to the men and women who serve this country in uniform," retired Lt. Col. Joe Reypya, speaking on behalf of the McCain, said in a statement. "Barack Obama ... broke that commitment, instead flitting from one European capital to the next." uhhhhh....Obama isn't the commander in cheif.....somebody should tell this guy that. And in a McCain ad that began airing Saturday, Obama is chided for making "time to go to the gym" instead of visiting with wounded troops. But he played basketball with the troops in Afghanistan, didn't he? I don't know, there is just something very oddd to me about criticizing him for something he didn't do.....it is boggling my mind! It's almost as if they are trying to appeal to stupidity!
-- HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! Edited: 7/26/2008 11:50 PM by Locus Coeruleus

Roadkill

7/27/2008 12:00 AM

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Locus Coeruleus (7/26/2008) I don't know, there is just something very oddd to me about criticizing him for something he didn't do.....it is boggling my mind! It's almost as if they are trying to appeal to stupidity! -But then again, isn't stupidity the dominating characteristic of their voter base?
-- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." -- Joseph Conrad (1857-1924) With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. --Steven Weinberg(1933- )

Scipio Africanus

7/27/2008 10:14 PM

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You people really will never shut up about your ideologically-based opinions will you? The war is won, despite your reluctance to let go of your opinions that it never should have been started. The fact that there is a new democratically-based sovereign power in Iraq to 'agree' with Obama about sooner rather than later is all the proof one need that the whole "War is Not the Answer" ghoul really is nothing more than an undead spectre, imagining itself to be a vibrant Angel of Light. Or would you like to suggest that the Iraqi leadership whom are "taking Obama's side" are actually despotic puppets with Dick Cheney pulling the strings. The sheer hypocrisy/inconsistency of you people boggles my brains . . . don't you have a tree, or a leper to hug or something?
-- "'The front' is wherever you stop running away. Get used to it. This is what modern warfare looks like." K T Cat

Locus Coeruleus

7/27/2008 11:09 PM

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What on earth are you talking about? I am glad things are going well in Iraq! and look, Obama isn't really a Muslim, he's JEWISH!!!! And it seems to be that the reality of the situation in Iraq is causing the candidates to converge on this certain issue. McCain, Obama accuse each other of shifting on Iraq If they are both shifting on Iraq, it means they are both approaching "the center" meaning that the reality of the situation necessitates the elimination of politicking and instead, dealing with the circumstances on the ground.
-- HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! Edited: 7/27/2008 11:37 PM by Locus Coeruleus

Locus Coeruleus

7/31/2008 11:16 PM

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McCain is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry! Actually McCain's biggest problem is not that. It's not a biased media coverage. It's not that he's old, though that may have something to do with it. It's that he is running one of the most uninspiring campaigns in recent memory.
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Bismarck2990

7/31/2008 11:38 PM

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I think Obama owes a lot of his inspire factor to the media. How inspiring can you expect McCain to be when you hardly even hear about him in contrast to the other guy? The coverage is biased. The guy is a war hero and his family took in a dying girl from India, yet when was the last time you heard about that?
-- -Of course we must all fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more… and that is the indifference of good men. -New term started, $1,425 (US) for classes, let's see how much books will run up to. MEH. Edited: 7/31/2008 11:39 PM by Bismarck2990