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6/9/2008 1:35 PM


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Well, if there are no combat troops, they won't have the manpower to stop the militias.  Guarding an embassy is almost pointless to security.
6/9/2008 1:37 PM


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Good. Let the militias kill each other then. They deserve it.
6/9/2008 1:43 PM


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The problem is they don't just kill each other... 
6/9/2008 5:00 PM


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Locus Coeruleus (6/9/2008)
Obama said troops should be sent to three locations _ home to the United States, in countries around Iraq to prevent regional conflict and to Afghanistan, which he said is in danger of falling back to the Taliban

No jerm, the article you cite mentions combat forces in Iraq, but there will be other forces in the area, around Iraq (like Quwait, Baharain, and Qatar, which already have a solid presence of US forces), and even within Iraq (with refence to particulars like the US Embassy and what not). Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but you seem to recall that USA has a very large deployment in the Persian Gulf. I seriously doubt Obama will remove that element as well.

I have come to have serious doubts about ANYTHING Democrats say they will do. I seem to recall that the rhetoric which got the Democrats back into a majority in Congress was "Out of Iraq asap!!"

Well, Coalition forces are still there, and progress has been made. If nothing else the nature of the violence has transformed, and it has not kept the same pace and distribution. Time is on our side, as long as we have patience and perserverance.

Why, oh WHY cannot you left-slanted people let it go? We KNOW you did not approve of the U.S. invading Iraq in the first place; so you must insist on rash de-militarizations as some way to vindicate your long-held resentment about your un-vindicated convictions? Get over it!

There is now a responsbility to the Iraqis, and to the world to insure that the processes set in motion in 2003 culminate in the best possible way. ANY policy of default reductions in troop deployments in Iraq or Afghanistan other than those informed by military and strategic reality are sheer idiocy. WE MUST WIN first; then we can declare peace, love, and harmony.

7/13/2008 10:14 AM


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Can you believe it? Neutral/Good News from Iraq....and on CNN no less!!!!

PM hopes to lift Iraq by doling out cold, hard oil cash

Not terribly different than our beloved tax stimulus rebate, but with a tad more personal touch.

It is a politician's dream: Handing out cold, hard cash to people on the street as they plead for help. Iraq's prime minister has been doing just that in recent weeks, doling out Iraqi dinars as an aide trails behind, keeping a tally.


The cash handouts are just one small -- if eye-catching -- part of a major investment push this summer by Iraq's government. The aim is to rebuild basic services and jumpstart Iraq's damaged economy by quickly distributing as much of the country's glut of oil revenue as possible.

U.S. officials and a fed-up American public are urging exactly that -- for Iraq to spend its own money, not America's, to rebuild the country now that violence has eased.


Yet the Iraqi effort runs a high risk of failure: The government is disorganized, fears of favoritism remain and the shadow of corruption haunts every step.

"Money is not a problem," al-Maliki told a recent gathering of tribal chiefs in the southern city of Basra, after government forces had defeated Shiite extremists there. "But we must put it in honest hands to spend."

Despite such problems, Iraq's oil revenues, an estimated $70 billion this year, still provide the best chance of leveraging the country's fragile period of calm into something more lasting, many officials say.


And the best part is, this is their dime, not ours. (Hmmmmm....Tosk.....I wonder if anyone knows what that phrase means anymore, or even where it comes from, hehe)

Yet most recent big spending announcements have been Iraqi: $100 million to rebuild Sadr City; another $100 million to the Shiite city of Basra after fighting there; $100 million for another southern Shiite town, Amarah; and $83 million to help internal refugees return home.

It's unclear how fast the project money will actually get out. Past U.S. surveys have found Iraqi officials actually spent only tiny portions of the money they had allocated, often because of disorganization in government offices or a lack of technical know-how.


Yeah, yeah so there is corruption, inefficiency, disorganization and other morass. I ask you this, which country DOESN'T have those problems!?

7/13/2008 12:06 PM


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Despite such problems, Iraq's oil revenues, an estimated $70 billion this year, still provide the best chance of leveraging the country's fragile period of calm

"Save Darfur" is so much more "moral."

7/13/2008 4:52 PM


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Direct monetary grants? Well, at least it frees the gov't from responsibility to guarantee efficiency. When the guy who handles the money is the guy who benefits from it, there is a greater personal incentive in using it correctly. To engage in corruption would be to steal from yourself

I smell Keynesian economic rationale: Increase spending, increase demand, and unused production capacity will start be put to use.
7/14/2008 7:46 AM


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"Save Darfur" is so much more "moral."
They did just indict the president of Sudan on war crime charges.

Perhaps this was due its own thread?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/07/14/darfur.charges/index.html
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