Offshore Drilling time?

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6/19/2008 11:29 PM

Udderly ridiculous

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I have heard Bill O'Reilly say he is an independent. I'm a registered independent and tend to lean to the right on most things. Bill is VERY right (as in politically leaning) on most things. In fact, when I 1st spoke on "absolutism" and the common practice of certain people to think their way is the ONLY way and the only RIGHT way, etc, etc... I kept envisioning Bill O'Reilly. I like the guy and usually agree with him actually, but he is almost as divisive as Rush Limbaugh (who I often agree with). Surely there is a better way to make points other than with a firey absolutism way. Maybe more later.
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6/19/2008 11:35 PM

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Yeah, but then he wouldn't have a talk show .... actually that's true.
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

Locus Coeruleus

6/19/2008 11:38 PM

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LC... this is the most surprising thing I read in this thread. You..... Bill O'Reilly? [Blink] Don't tell me that you also sport a "Rush is Right!" bumper sticker now! What happened to you? [BigGrin] Just teasin', man. Ha Ha HA! You know NC, I listen to Rush sometimes too, with much disgust, typically. The things he says sometimes makes you want to slam your radio against the wall!!! But I feel it is very important to heed your adversaries. It gives you the opportunity to better understand their position and formulate arguments against it! I kept envisioning Bill O'Reilly. I like the guy and usually agree with him actually, but he is almost as divisive as Rush Limbaugh Yeah, you know, when I was listening to him, he was talking about how McCain has come forth with his position on drilling offshore. But he said McCain is no drilling-warrior, is what he said, because he still opposes drilling ANWR. And he said "We gotta drill in ANWR." I thought that was rather ridiculous, as he didn't really say why, rather it's just something that we absolutely have to do, as if our lives depend on it. Please.
-- HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! Edited: 6/19/2008 11:49 PM by Locus Coeruleus

6/20/2008 12:33 AM

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Look at Chernobyl, horrific. Chernobyl was using very poor technology in the early stages of developement of Nuclear Power. Plus it was under the Soviet system which cared more for production than for human life. Even so, only 50'ish deaths can be directly attributed to the accident, most of which were workers and firefighters at the plant. Numbers vary drastically as to how many more people will or have died of cancer from the incident. Apparently also, the area around it is booming with wildlife. Keep in mind this was the worst accident ever to occur. No deaths have been attributed to the 3 mile island meltdown which is the only other power plant to ever have a large scale meltdown. Plant technology and waste technology have been drastically improved. Point is, Nuclear Power is safe, clean and not dependent on fossil fuels. What's the downside?
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

6/20/2008 12:41 AM

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jerm (6/20/2008) Look at Chernobyl, horrific. Chernobyl wasusing very poor technology in the early stages of developement of Nuclear Power. Plus it was under the Soviet system whichcared more for production thanfor human life. Even so, only 50'ish deaths can be directly attributed to the accident, most of which were workers and firefighters at the plant. Numbers vary drastically as to how many more people will or have died of cancer from the incident. Apparently also, the area aroundit is booming with wildlife. Keep in mind this was the worst accident ever to occur. No deaths have been attributed to the 3 mile island meltdown which is the only other power plant to ever have a large scale meltdown. Plant technology and waste technology have been drastically improved. Point is, Nuclear Power is safe, clean and not dependent on fossil fuels. What's the downside? The downside is obvious no matter how you try to whitewash it. Renewable sources such as wind, water, and solar power are safe and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
-- "Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others." -William Allen White

6/20/2008 12:55 AM

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The downside is obvious no matter how you try to whitewash it. Other than "it's scary" I don't see it. Renewable sources are not economically viable yet either. I hope one day they will be but the aren't now. We do use Water Power as with Hoover Dam but look at the cost it has had on the environment upstream. Windmills can only be placed in "windy" areas, otherwise they're wasted. Solar Power is inefficient (though getting better) and expensive. I do think Solar Power is the most promising renewable resource. If everyone could just have a Solar Panel on their house, imagine what that would do to demand for oil! It's just not there yet. The price needs to come down to probably 1/4 of it's current cost though.
-- -A government that is powerful enough to do anything for us is powerful enough to do anything to us. -Fred Thompson -There are two races of people, the decent and the indecent. - Victor Frankel -They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Benjamin Franklin Consequences

6/20/2008 2:18 AM

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jerm (6/20/2008) The downside is obvious no matter how you try to whitewash it. Other than "it's scary" I don't see it. I'm not going to go into a debate with you about the dangers of a nuclear meltdown. I think you know and are trying to be thick. Although I do find it funny that you are concerned about the environmental damage of the Hoover dam but not the damages that a nuclear meltdown creates, which are much much worse. Renewable sources are not economically viable yet either. I hope one day they will be but the aren't now. We do use Water Power as with Hoover Dam but look at the cost it has had on the environment upstream. Windmills can only be placed in "windy" areas, otherwise they're wasted. Solar Power is inefficient (though getting better) and expensive. I do think Solar Power is the most promising renewable resource. If everyone could just have a Solar Panel on their house, imagine what that would do to demand for oil! It's just not there yet. The price needs to come down to probably 1/4 of it's current cost though. lol Windy areas...Unless you are in the Doldrums there is wind everywhere (albeit sometimes sporadic). Minnesota, Texas, California, and Iowa, to name just a few states, use wind turbines on large scales and with grids can store access energy. It is really catching on actually and a lot of farmers offset the cost of turbines by selling the power back to the power companies. Wind power and many other types of renewable resources ARE economically viable and many countries including the US are using them. The reason they aren't on very large scales is because we are relying on OIL so whats the point? We are definitely feeling the crunch now but it is going to have to get much worse before the world cries out for safe and cheap alternatives to fossil fuels AND nuclear power. I am not doubting that nuclear power is a viable alternative but I do feel that we can research and develop better alternatives. I guess we want to suck every last barrel of oil out of the earth before we do that. I'm afraid by then it will be too late.
-- "Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others." -William Allen White

6/20/2008 3:06 AM

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I would focus more on the likelihood of a nuclear meltdown actually occurring. I've lived about less than 20 miles away from Turkey Point my whole life and there's been little to no problems with the plant itself. Heck, it even survived a direct hit from Andrew which destroyed the surrounding area. Also, windy areas wouldn't apply to specific areas like south Florida. The only time we get wind is when it rains -- which is usually followed by debris, flooding, and my fence disappearing.
-- -Of course we must all fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more… and that is the indifference of good men. -New term started, $1,425 (US) for classes, let's see how much books will run up to. MEH. Edited: 6/20/2008 3:15 AM by Bismarck2990

6/20/2008 3:22 AM