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| I was refering to progressive generations getting progressively complex teachings handed to them aspect. This kind of thinking is flawed bcz it assumes that a human being at any given point of time can not handle the whole truth. I could hijack this thread with a big response, so I'll keep it to a minimum, unless you want another thread to debate this. 
You must learn 1st grade math before you can learn 2nd. 5th before 6th, etc. You cannot skip straight to calculus because you can handle calculus, can you? 
If most of mankind was once slaughtering each other for various petty things, it would be hard to convince them of higher-teachings until they mastered the 'stop slaughtering each other' piece. 2nd grade after 1st.
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| | The difference is the effect. Micro defines what is affected by a single person/family/community and macro by what is affected by Nations/continents/the world at large. Killing an animal for food is different than wiping out an entire species. When the species is gone, so is the food... at least from that animal. Cutting down a few trees to build a house won't have any effect but when a rainforest is gone to make room for human development, it's gone. Also, on the micro scale, we have invented farming and Animal Husbandry so that those animals don't go away. Shouldn't we also, if the macro is the same, find ways of preserving systems for our benefit? I'm not saying we should not use the resources on the earth, in fact, I have no problems with logging, fishing, farming or population growth (if you'd read the rest of this thread, you'd know that). Do you think it's not a good idea to preserve anything? I don't get your point about eating dirty bagels  . |
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| | Quoting back a page: I was refering to progressive generations getting progressively complex teachings handed to them aspect. This kind of thinking is flawed bcz it assumes that a human being at any given point of time can not handle the whole truth.
NC, Growing up of a child & progress of greater humanity is not a good analogy. So please do go ahead and exponenciate, but dont jump from thread to thread. That just tends to confuse me. Oh boy. We could still hijack this thread easily on a big tangent. I'll try to be more brief than I could be. If we can just keep Roadkill away long enough to debate religion.
For the sake of debate, lets say that each of the main religions founders were all inspired by "God." From the Judeo-Christian-Muslim faiths... in the days of Abraham, if the Monotheistic concept of one God was foreign to most people, how could you teach them more advanced stuff if that one huge, main-point was hard to accept? By Moses's day, despite golden calfs, people were ready en mass for more. So 10 commandments were given, plus various other strict Mosaic laws as they perhaps needed them for whatever higher purpose. By Jesus's day, the people had that stuff down okay, though not perfect, so Jesus taught higher practices of loving thy neighbor, non-judgment, etc, etc and that the Mosaic law was no longer necessarily. People en mass were ready for more. Muslims could go further with Mohammad and the various higher teachings that most Westerns are ignorant of. Baha'is a step further perhaps, at least in each of their own minds.
If one doesn't have the moral basis to know that its wrong to kill another man merely because he angered you, will he readily accept higher teachings?
Go back in time quite a ways to older cultures. What if cultures are towards the extreme end of selfishness, greed, racism, elitism, sexist, etc, etc, etc, can you really teach them that women are equal in regards to man in spirituality? That your enemy is really equal in the eyes of God, despite sex, color of your body's skin, etc? Wealth, position of birth, title, etc is irrelevant compared to ones actions?
I could continue, but this is already longer than I intended. Are you sure you don't want your own thread for this debate?
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-- John F. Kennedy
"Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny."
--Patrick Overton
"It doesn't matter where you are as much as where you are headed."
--Mike Shanahan
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