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| Tosk, I must call you out dear sir. The Catholic religion is the largest Christian denomination by far, and largest organized religious administrative body in the world, it's sheer demographic weight is comparable to that of the Muslims and the Hindus, dear sir. Do not mistake the Christian religious makeup of the United States of America with that of the rest of the world. You live in Taos, New Mexico, do you not? Simply look to the south of the border, and fix your gaze on the entire southern Americas from Mexico on down. You could not throw a rock without hitting a Catholic!  . Let us not get into the growth of the faith in other parts of the world, such as Asia and Africa in recent years.
If that is not globalization, I do not know what is, my friend. Also to compare the situation of the Catholic Church and the Wahhabi sect of Islam is to compare apples and oranges. The Catholic Church has been around since the beginning of time, while one can only look back within 200 years to find the origins of Wahhabism, which now happens to be the state-sanctioned version of Islam in the Kingdom of the House of Saud. I would further posit, dear sir, that Wahhabi Islam, once little known to the world, outside of the Arabian Peninsula, has been spread throughout the globe, as a direct result of globalization, that is to say, as a result of the petrol rents that have been flowing into the hands of the desert sheiks during the past several decades and ESPECIALLY within the past 5 years... It is through these avenues that the KSA has developed an engine to globalize their state religion. Again, I must ask, if that is not globalization, then what is, my friend? |
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| I seriously considered not responding as I have already stated that subjugation is not globalization.
However as you brought up South America I will impart a small bit of history.
The Aztec civilization stretched into southern Colorado, Tenochtitlan was larger than any European city, they had advanced art, religion and science they had a civil system that rivaled anything in the old world ... the only thing they lacked was technology, which I might add the Europeans got from Asia ... they did not invent it themselves. After guns and steel destroyed the infrastructure in comes the loving Catholic Church ... they tortured, killed, mutilated, crucified and enslaved without mercy nor concern for local customs or beliefs.
The message, well learned, was convert or die ... they got a lot of converts ... the rest died ... yep, you can't throw a stone there today without hitting a Catholic.
The same loving son's of Jesus foisted the same fate on the Maya, who wrote the first book in the Americas, I forget the date, but it was before Columbus, and Inca, who we discovered in, what was it 1986, had a more accurate calendar than modern man ... and they did not have an atomic clock to check.
I guess some feel that globalization is everyone walking lockstep ... or some twisted version of "1984" totalitarian.
I believe globalization is equal opportunity and tolerance for all mankind ... if that takes a Mickey D's in every town on earth so be it.
Mr Owl, do you remember that IBM was the other Mega corporation that underwent the same anti trust trials that AT&T did.
At IBM they diversified, under government supervision, and survived as a mega corporation and we the people won with lower prices.
The megalomaniacs at AT&T fought and were broken up into a series of mini franchises that had to charge, we the people, up to three times our former bills to survive ... I remember the first MCI and Sprint pay phones being 25 cents instead of the dime AT&T charged pre breakup.
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| Globalization. I guess it depends on what you mean by the term.
If it is spreading something far-reaching and wide-spread, like the Catholic faith, then LC is right. But they did a lot of it by fear mongering and by 'the sword.' By today's standards we'd maybe call it Cathlo-facism or something. 
If it is really "equal opportunity and tolerance for all mankind," which I prefer to think of when I think of Globalization, I think the Catholic faith is a very poor example of both equal opportunity and tolerance, at least historically speaking.
I guess I have 2 views of Globalization. I think of the equal opportunity and tolerance version and then I think of the uber-wealthy, governmental control version, which I think many have in mind when leaders mention a "new world order." Perhaps the 2nd has to advance before the 1st occurs. I believe thats likely.
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| Two points, hoping here memory is serving me well ... first Mr Owl, IBM went first in the 60's IIRC ... AT&T was way late 70's or early 80's.
Next Mr Jerm, perhaps I do not understand exactly what you are referring to as the original AT&T ... AT&T was created as a subsidiary of American Bell to create a national long distance service. The government had given American Bell some controlled anti trust leeway in providing local service in the 40's or 50's before AT&T was even formed. Bell pored so much money into AT&T that it eventually bought out the parent company and attempted to use the Bell anti trust rules to control all telephone service ... bringing the DOJ's wrath down upon itself.
Also your point about Wal-Mart/Sears is a scenario that has played out many times in my lifetime ... I remember retail giants such as Montgomery Wards, Ben Franklin, the 5 and dime, Woolworth and a few others.
What was it Ghandi said about the seemingly invincible falling ... think about it, always.
As I stated, I hope memory is serving me well here.
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Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now they bleat like sheep for security.
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We don't have to live in the kind of America the two Major parties have in store for us.
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| | Hmmmm...., *gulps more brandy, eyes the scotch* Maybe it was ENRON I was thinking of and their brand of survival of the fittest. But Gentlemen please! I'm not sure why there is so much defense of large business getting out of hand here, when it does happen, and the business environment invites it? Globalization, manipulated through "New World Order", as seen by Bush, would seem to put things in the hands of the very rich and powerful. That worries me some little bit, yes. Corruption would sooner or later turn what might be conceived as a good thing, into something monsterous. A Machine without a heart. "1984"? No, not exactly. But not to far off that. Big Brother wouldn't be governments. It would be Big Business. Don't think your not already being tracked and cataloged. Check your Temp, Cookie, and Internet Cache files. THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE! And THEY SAW WHAT YOU DID! ADDIT: AOL--The biggest marketing information black hole that I can think of, maybe, might get it's collective fingers smacked once and awhile but that is all that can be done by Government Supervision. I know. Ask your Congressmen. They will tell you that. |
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