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| | I think maybe you jokers are confusing love of Liberty, Democracy, Fraternity and a desire for it to be enjoyed by all humans as Patriotism [for the U.S.]. I love Canada. I love Australia. I love the U.K. I love France. I love Germany. Brazil, Belgium, India, Spain, Italy, Japan, etc. 
I love them cause they are humane, just, prosperous nations that benefit their citizens and do not control individual lives primarily to benefit a putatively "communist" ruling elite comprising tyrants and thugs. They are that way in large part because the U.S. helped to save them from tyrranny ~60 years ago. In global Team Democracy, Team America is just the quarterback, not the sole player. |
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| You take the bad with the good, jerm. Nationalism is an outdated concept, and one the world would be best leaving behind.  That doesn't mean you get rid of all nations. But national integrity is different than nationalism. You mention, wars, and what people would fight for, if not, nationalism. Ok, wars are something we could do with out too, and I think you will find most people work for their pocketbooks, not their country.which is fine but there also needs to be a degree of working together as a nation towards common goals. Forget working together as a nation for common goals, I am working for all of humanity to make the world a better place, not just for this nation, but for all the peoples of the world. |
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| | I don't agree. The Russian kind of nationalism of expansion probably would be better off gone but pride in one's country is almost what defines a nation or at least holds it together. Some of us may be black, some of us may be white, some of us may be mormon, some of us may be Ba'hai, some of us may be repbulicans, some of us may be democrats but if we were healthy, we'd firstly identify ourselves as Americans (or whatever other country you belong to). Your statement about wars is very simplistic. The only way there will ever be total peace on earth is when an iron fisted totalitarian regime rules it all. Are you willing to trade freedom for peace? If not, wars are a part of life on this planet and motivation for fighting for freedom is absolutely necessary if we wish to defend it. Forget working together as a nation for common goals, I am working for all of humanity to make the world a better place, not just for this nation, but for all the peoples of the world. Why in the world are these two mutually exclusive? I am proud to be an American first and foremost. I do not pretend that everything we have done in the world has been good (though I think our intentions were at least in the 20th Century) but I do believe this is the best damn country on the earth and if I didn't feel that way, I'd move to the one I thought that was. What the hell is wrong with that?  |
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