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Locus Coeruleus

8/29/2008 10:01 AM

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fair enough, I honestly don't think what Obama said was all that great of a statement, I think he prolly said it because the Olympics were going on and Beijing was in the news at the time. I'd also hazard a guess that he was talking more about the ends and not the means, as you suggest, he just didn't frame it well. It's nothing to scoff at, it was just an ill prepared statement. Hey, sometimes the Messiah is prone to do such things! But as for China, well, yes, they are autocrats and that is nothing to take lightly, but their society has also opened up quite a bit in the last.....since Tienamen. Hopefully they keep moving in that direction!
-- HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! Edited: 8/29/2008 10:08 AM by Locus Coeruleus

jerm

8/29/2008 12:27 PM

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Thank you Scipio for explaining it. I started to last night and just decided to go to bed. I wasn't saying it's a really liberal statement, I'm not saying we don't need infrastructure, I'm saying it's a very ignorant statement. "China's infrastructure is vastly superior to ours"? While 7.9 earthquake is a big quake, I think that an infrastructure that was vastly superior to ours would mean that 70,000 people wouldn't have been killed and that 10 million people wouldn't have been left homeless.
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Nuclearcow

8/29/2008 4:21 PM

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This was during the Olympics (giving China a small kudo on something) and he was taking 1 small comment about us spending our own money on our infrastructure like China has been lately. Nothing about raping Borneo, piracy, going fascist, communist or anything like that, Scip. Come on, seriously. For all that stuff you said about voting your conscience and not goose-stepping your party lines, you sure sound an awful lot like the ultra ultra, right winged Republicans on many of your judgments and criticisms. Their ports, train systems and airports are superior to ours. Thats what he said. That equals all that other stuff? Come on... Do you believe he's wrong on their ports, train systems and airports? I doubt it, but its Obama, so... unleash the rant and criticism.
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Bismarck2990

8/29/2008 5:24 PM

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The word vastly sounds like a exaggeration to me. The public transportation for cities like New York are great (I should know, I visited for a Kilo reunion last month and had no problem going around the whole city). On the comment itself, I don't believe it is very bad on his part. It's definitely not the best nor most popular idea to say we should strive to be like any communist country in any regard though.
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Nuclearcow

8/29/2008 6:26 PM

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Because they don't do anything better than us? EVER? Come on guys. What the?
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Locus Coeruleus

8/29/2008 7:37 PM

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When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross!!!!!
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Bismarck2990

8/30/2008 12:23 AM

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I said the word vastly was a exaggeration. I never said they don't.
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Scipio Africanus

8/30/2008 9:54 PM

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What about the issue of _how_ the money the Chinese spent on infrastructure was gained? Would you care to actually address tihs point, or simply dismiss my response as a "rant and criticism?" Saying "Why don't we try to improve our infrastructure like China," is analagous to referring to the mansions of some Criminal Kingpin who pimps, kills, and sells drugs and sayin "Why don't we try to improve our home and garden like the Capone family?" Wake up people! China is a totalitarian state!! People in China cannot read this because they have an international firewall that censors out free speech. Most people in China live in rural poverty, and many live in urban poverty.
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cleopatra143

8/30/2008 10:36 PM

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Scipio Africanus (8/30/2008) What about the issue of _how_ the money the Chinese spent on infrastructure was gained? Would you care to actually address tihs point, or simply dismiss my response as a "rant and criticism?" Saying "Why don't we try to improve our infrastructure like China," is analagous to referring to the mansions of some Criminal Kingpin who pimps, kills, and sells drugs and sayin "Why don't we try to improve our home and garden like the Capone family?" Wake up people! China is a totalitarian state!! People in China cannot read this because they have an international firewall that censors out free speech. Most people in China live in rural poverty, and many live in urban poverty. I dunno, that was basically my point to begin with. lol
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Nuclearcow

8/31/2008 11:00 AM