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Well in Civ 3 I noticed Cleopatra was depicted pretty much as an Egyptian, a pretty (stress on PRETTY! ) southern one at that since her pigmentation was pretty dark. This obviously conflicts with historical reality since she was descended from the Ptolemaic Greeks after Alexander the Great. So she was as European or Mediterranean probably like Greeks are today, NOT like Egyptians.I was happy that they corrected this obvious flaw by changing her name to Hatshepsut, who was certainly very Egyptian. Of course in reality Hatshepsut dressed and acted like a man to fool her people, since female rulers were unheard of at the time, but let's not get started on that. But now I bought this expansion and now I find one of the add-ons, Darius I, is black??? I realize Firaxis has to appeal to as wide of the American demographic as possible, but please. Since when did Persians have a Negroid component to their ethnic makeup?? I'm guessing all this is derived from the movie 300. Maybe some Firaxis developer was really crazy about the movie and thought a black Persian would be so much cooler. Or perhaps Firaxis is privy to archaeological evidence not yet made public to the rest of the world. Cyrus, watch out for Civilization 5, historical revisionists may have you in their crosshairs... As a disclaimer, I realize the game is still pretty heavily European, but if additional representation is desired from other ethnicities and cultures, they should have a more solid historical foundation. As far as it not affecting the game's playability, some people less grounded in history may take what they see in the game as prima facie proof of the past. To avoid collectively dumbing down our own civilizations, we should attempt to present as accurate a version of it as possible.
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Great first post. Welcome 1BC. Most of the time they seem to get the phenotypes about right. But I agree with you that the Cleo in Civ3 was just not accurate. I also agree that Darius is a bit peculiar. However, I didn't really think he looks African, so much as Arabian. Do you recall the Arabian leaderhead in Civ3, cannot think of his name now . . . Ibn Akbar or something like that. Dang, just cannot recall. To me, he had a similar phenotype to that which they are showing with Darius, which I'd say is just sort of generally "Middle Eastern." The other thing to consider is that, some of the images of Gods and Kings from the earlier periods in the Mesopotamian if not Persian area show individuals with phenotypic features that are somewhat more "negroid" in character. I'm recalling a stele of Gilgamesh 
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tones (9/1/2009) I was minded to compare this site to a sort-of-private Facebook, but, on reflection, that's not right . . . Nope. Here is a forum to exchange views and discuss topics and maybe have some literary fun; post some interesting pics (not Megabits of family krap); flag up some internet sites of Interest; pass on the occasional joke. To me, (struggling for analogy here) it's bit more like a quiet and cosy pub with locals you know and the occasional visitor from "outside"; thick stone walls and a cellar full of well-kept ale. Facebook, on the other hand, is some awful massive city-centre club that serves Fosters lager. And, you know what? I am not unhappy with that analogy. I prefer the pub.
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Yeah, Abu Bakr. Can you guys see that image I posted? Anyway, while I agree Darius is not exactly an expected phenotype, he might not be that inaccurate. He does kindof appear like an Arabian or Middle Eastern look.
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tones (9/1/2009) I was minded to compare this site to a sort-of-private Facebook, but, on reflection, that's not right . . . Nope. Here is a forum to exchange views and discuss topics and maybe have some literary fun; post some interesting pics (not Megabits of family krap); flag up some internet sites of Interest; pass on the occasional joke. To me, (struggling for analogy here) it's bit more like a quiet and cosy pub with locals you know and the occasional visitor from "outside"; thick stone walls and a cellar full of well-kept ale. Facebook, on the other hand, is some awful massive city-centre club that serves Fosters lager. And, you know what? I am not unhappy with that analogy. I prefer the pub.
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That is an interesting question. Of course for most of these "ethnic" or "racial" physical traits, there are not clear boundaries, but instead there are clinesA cline is a gradual change of a character or feature ( phenotype) in a species over a geographical area, often as a result of environmental heterogeneity Because of this, and the repeatedly overlapping and inter-mixing waves of migrations of people from various regions over the last 50 or 100 thousand years, it is frequently difficult to define anything like boundaries for particular human phenotypes. The Middle East in particular, as a crossroads of the World is bound to have had a high rate of blending of people.
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tones (9/1/2009) I was minded to compare this site to a sort-of-private Facebook, but, on reflection, that's not right . . . Nope. Here is a forum to exchange views and discuss topics and maybe have some literary fun; post some interesting pics (not Megabits of family krap); flag up some internet sites of Interest; pass on the occasional joke. To me, (struggling for analogy here) it's bit more like a quiet and cosy pub with locals you know and the occasional visitor from "outside"; thick stone walls and a cellar full of well-kept ale. Facebook, on the other hand, is some awful massive city-centre club that serves Fosters lager. And, you know what? I am not unhappy with that analogy. I prefer the pub.
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