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4/15/2009 7:26 AM


High Plains Drifter

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Space race victory in 1973. Bah, what a pathetic score. I suppose it could have been higher if I had got busy destroying the rest of the world whilst my spaceship zoomed off to Alpha Centaurii. The other civs were busy fighting anongst themselves with riflemen, cannons and cossacks so I guess my modern armour and stealth bombers would have walked all over them but really, rather like Zig, I just wanted to get it over by pressing the Enter button madly. I simly don't understand the scoring system I'm afraid.

4/15/2009 2:50 PM


Udderly ridiculous

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Bah, what a pathetic score.
Since I've bowed out, you're the leading scorer at the moment, sir.

For anyone who hasn't noticed, hasn't played, etc, you can tell the "secret" by looking at Tones's map. Its a map of the world with many civs in the correct spot. Fun scenario, IMHO, but it is a big-*** map. Maybe bigger than normal? I don't know, but its huge and I enjoyed it, at least.

For those who played or are playing, how long before you recognized it was a fairly accurate map of the world? Did the shape of India give it away or did you not know until after meeting several other civs? Have you guys played this scenario before?
4/15/2009 5:45 PM


High Plains Drifter

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It didn't take very long to realise - Indians in a triangular country with huge mountain ranges to the North. What surprised me were the large number of resources. Getting 3 religions was not difficult but disrupted my normal early style - hence the score. However, you still have to be fairly aggressive so that the AI does not pick YOU as a weak target. It was also important to identify and secure oil and uranium which are not present in the natural Indian sphere of influence. Despite building both the AP and UN nobody voted for me, though it was pretty cool when everyone voted for a ban on Nukes when I was the only one in the world to have them. I think I should have rolled the tanks, fired up the missiles and mopped everyone up, but that takes time and effort.

One thing that amused me in my game - Montezuma was master of 95% of North America and Roosevelt a pathetic vassal

4/15/2009 7:43 PM


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One thing that amused me in my game - Montezuma was master of 95% of North America and Roosevelt a pathetic vassal [Tongue]
Ditto in my game. Monty is one aggressive b'tard!
4/16/2009 2:05 PM


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Well I've been playing this one. I'm up to about 1500AD, but I can see now that it is by no means a certainty that I'll get it finished in time. It's already started to get bogged down. This has got to be the largest map I've ever played on!

It's been a great game up until now though, what a fantastic region that is to not get along with your neighbours in! Great open plains one way, all those archipelagos the other and plenty of fertile coastline in between. Brings into play every aspect of the game. And with all those civs vying over it all... fun!!!

Just not very likely that I'll be finishing it. Not by trying to conquer 2/3's of this monstrous map anyway!! Maybe I can automate my way to a space race now and hold down the enter key until the 1900's.
4/16/2009 2:53 PM


High Plains Drifter

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Maybe I can automate my way to a space race now and hold down the enter key until the 1900's.

Very much what I thought. Took me until the 1970's though, so good luck

4/17/2009 7:34 PM


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... and then, in the pós-future year of 2020 , the most pathetic score than anyone else !!!

 

At least I won it....................... ........ launching my spaceship.

Ready for the May one.

4/23/2009 5:29 PM


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A Passage to India

In an effort to encourage others to have a go at this, I thought I'd recount some of my trials and tribulations. You never know, maybe you'll spot where I went wrong. Be warned though, there may be spoilers ahead. Anyway, if arty posts a higher score, I can always argue it was because he read this post

This is not a hard game, but it is a big one, and it will take TIME. That's the biggest barrier by far - simply finishing the bastid.

The good points: India itself has loads of good early resources and is easliy defensible; India under Asoka a pretty darn good civ; there's no tech trading so the rest of the world can't gang up on you and it is fairly simple to build a tech lead on your own; it's an Earth map, so you already know where everything is, don't you?; the immediate neighbours are not too antagonistic and the psychopaths (Aztecs and Japanese) can't touch you.

The bad points: it's a big old world full of civs so domination or conquest is virtually impossible unless you are prepared to spend days playing this; you are required to found 3 or more religions - this is not difficult in itself, but will undoubtedly disrupt your favourite tech path.

Since resources are abundant, your first cities will be very successful, especially combined with that "fast worker" guy. Neighbours are China to the East, and Persia to the West - North is impeneterable mountain and South is the ocean - so no military worries there. I found it pretty easy to grab the 3 religions, two through research and one through building the Oracle (just choose the free tech that gives you another religion). Having achieved that and sorta grasped the size of the map, I began to wonder how to win the damn thing. I never focussed and that was probably a major failing. My religions flourished as did the cities, and the money simply poured in. This allows you, of course, to build a tech and espionage lead. I thought about an early diplomatic victory so I built the Apostolic Palace (courtesy of the Oracle by a roundabout route). No, they wouldn't even vote me in as Pope, or whatever, the envious swine. OK scratch diplomacy for now. Bastids.

About this time the Chinese get all nasty and attack. Never neglect your military, (it's a good rule) and although I was running mine at meagre levels I had the technology and the finances to obliterate their advance forces. It's a fun tactic to sukker them in, spend a load of money, and crap all over them, heh heh. Oops, then Saladin decides to go for it from the West. Fighting on two fronts is not fun but the topography is, in this case, entirely in your favour. It was a joy to decimate those stacks. Doing so on home ground also substantially lessens the war-weariness factors as well.

I went into full war mode, capturing several Chinese cities (I think, by now, I had trebs). In the West, things were more complicated. Persia was my immediate neighbour and a strong friend, but Cyrus allowed Saladin through to attack me. Of course, he also allowed me through to counterattack, but then surprised me by vassalising Saladin. BUM! This had very real longterm consequences I discovered later.

Anyways I realise I have simply not the resources or the tech to carry on the war to everybody (as conquest or domination would decree) Peace with Saladin was forced on me, and I extracted as much as I could from China. Meanwhile, up in the North, both Mongolia and russia were growing strong - very strong. Once again I ask myself - how do you win this thing? Errr, maybe culture? That's when I started off on the ill-fated culture kick.

Why? WHY? I dunnoo. The capital (Ohmygod) was well on track, but the other two cities were way behind and I spent lots of time, effort, and money trying to catch up and then some other bugger built the Sistine Chappel. At some point I looked at the projections and realised is was not going to happen. Maybe a cultural victory is the way to go with this scenario but I just couldn't see it happening. Damn.

What to do? I decide to keep on building up cities, tech and espionage (not to steal tech, obviously, but to keep an eye on the opposition) The growth of Russia and the Mongols (though both still apparently friendly) worries me, so I declare war on the remains of China and eventually vassallise them (because I cannot be bothered to go through The Phillippenes they have conquered) This is sheer laziness I am ashamed to admit.

Then it is decades of same as usual with such a high tech lead that nobody sane is going to declare war. There might have been a small fight with the Aztecs and Incans and, come to think of it, the English, err, and the Japanese (destroying them utterly ho hum) but nothing major. By this time I own India, China and half of South America but it is nowhere near enough. I think I even vassellised another couple of guys who came pleading to me in the meantime, but it is still not enough. Arrgh. It is now I realise I have no oil. Aw crap, if only I had taken over the Middle East earlier (hint hint) and killed Saladin. No matter, establishing Standard Ethanol will do the trick and before you know it we're in the modern age with a reasonably-sized country with a few friends, most of the world fighting amongst themselves, a substantive technological lead and STILL no idea of how to best finish this bloody game. Of course I was going to win, but this is a GOTM. How do you get the best score? I had no idea. Still don't, actually. I established the UN in a vain hope that... err, no, maybe you have to bribe everyone substantially. That might do it, but there's all that fallout from those early religions dammit.

There's only one thing to do now - go for a space race victory. It is early 1900's and I am in an utterly dominant military position. But can I take the world? It's such a huge task. It is, maybe, possible... oh but the time and effort! If anyone else gets to this position I'm sure it can be done. Maybe a lot earlier, who knows? Cripes I'm tempted to nuke the main opposition (Russia) and run the MA and tanks and stealth over Mongolia but then we have the whole of Europe, Africa and North America to go. I can't face it. It's too much like hard work. Let's have smallish maps in future huh?

4/24/2009 9:11 AM


Warlord

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Nice Tones.

My game and yours was pretty alike: at first China attacked me, then I took several Chinese cities; Russia e Persia attacked me, I just defended me; I wondering for some time if I shoud go through cultural or spacial victory...

4/24/2009 12:37 PM


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tones (4/23/2009)

Anyway, if arty posts a higher score, I can always argue it was because he read this post


Hehe, hey I was at 1882 when I read this. I slog through 5900 years and you're trying to claim credit for the last century!! But the most important word there was if, I might not even get to post a score never mind a higher one. Progress is steady... but slow and this game is almost certain to take more sessions to complete than any other I've played by the end.

So I got suckered into going down an imperialistic route, not the best solution to the slow rate of progress on this map... but I couldn't resist it. After founding 3 early religions it all just looked so inviting, so I sent out a welcome party to greet the neighbours and once you've sent one...

I'm wondering now if can vassalize my way across the continent(s) somehow to avoid the inevitable slog-fest. If not I'll have to rush my way to one of the other victory conditions, I've been eyeing them up already. I just hope there are enough days left in the month!!
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